146 Professional

Yeah, you may be right. I just haven't noticed it at all flying smaller, twin engines planes. I have flown the bigger commercial jets (747, 787, A320, and the 737 a few times and didn't noticed it on them as well. So I was surprised when I experienced the bobbing on the 146. My last flight with the new PMDG 737 was absolutely smooth. Every flight I've taken with the BAE 146 bobbed away at level flight using AP. I did think to myself if it could be related to the trim on the 146.

Perhaps, I've missed a detail/setting in preparing the plane for flying that may be contributing to this. I'm still in the mode of simply jumping into the plane and taking off. I'm starting to get more technical with certain checklist, but I'm not there yet. It's easier to do with a little C-172.

I was looking through the 146 manual last night and did notice, the AP buttons, submodes, etc, seem to be a bit more involved than with the smaller planes(not suprising). So, I still have much to learn. I do almost exclusively, use the MSFS Mobile Companion App to help me set up some of the basic AP controls rather than using the instrument panel. It's a great little app in that regard.

Anyway, I'll continue to read, watch and experiment to further my knowledge of the 146.

Ona a side note... Back in the late 80's doing consulting work, I got to fly on a lot of planes(understatement), and many times it was a BAE 146. I wasn't into siming at the time, but always enjoyed the ride in the 146. It's a cool little 4-engine jet. So when I heard Just Flight was releasing it, I knew it would end up in my hanger! :)

@jmarkows No I haven't seen this one yet I'll check it out. Thanks v much!

I agree it would be nice and if JF do this I'd be really pleased. My opinion is that MS/Asobo should be spending a lot more time on ground services in general as what is there atm often breaks immersion.

By this I mean the aimless wandering down taxiways by all sorts of vehicles and inconsistency about where units can be called. I have found very few stands where I can actually call steps for instance. Cargo loading being omitted is a major gap imo.

They seem wholly focused on the world updates and I understand given the appeal of the eye candy to bring people to the sim which is necessary to fund it's continued delivery and operation. I might feel less "aggrieved" if hand-crafted premium airports like EGLL ended up in a good state but honestly it's not and I paid for premium primarily for EGLL and the 787 - big oops :-)

It would be nice to maybe have a small team dedicated to QoL/immersion focused on making the environment more realistic.

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I've now got airbrake and spoiler deployment sorted and I can normally touchdown "well enough" in terms of alignment and rate.

Where I tend to have an issue is after the maingear is down, the nosewheel does not want to drop and pitch down is very ineffective. I've recorded my landing and the speed, flare and touchdown looks ok but the nose will start to rise requiring me to push forward hard and brake harder that I'd prefer to get 3 wheels down.

I'm going to do more circuits at EGNT and play with my pitch curves to make sure pitch down is not attenuated.

I do seem to recall the weaving issue when the CJ4 was in it's active development phase but it did get refined to non-existence.

Just on my 2nd flight using the FMS and I've not seen this symptom during either although the weather has been benign both times.

I did however just have an issue departing 26L EGKK on FRANE1M where it did not make the 1st turn. It is more or less a 180 but at the speed I was going it should have managed. Once I threw a DIR to ACORN everything was rock solid.

Just one anomaly so I wouldn't highlight as an issue yet - will monitor.

Weren't they low to begin with?

Yes, I experienced this also, but just a few times - on white rocker switches on the overhead panel. Next time it happens I'll make a note of exactly which switches.

Hi. I had this exact same issue with PMDG's DC-6 and my V1 Flight Yoke. Touch the trim wheel and the aircraft goes nuts. Has to do with how the trim access is programmed.

As suggested by others, changing the trim assignment to buttons works a whole lot better. PMDG DC6 is quite stable with button assigned Trim.

Bill

@jmarkows The rudder requires green hydraulic pressure however we've now added some logic that will permit steering during pushback, simulating the nose wheel steering disconnect.

With the autopilot off, the trim wheel should only move if you command trim changes, either by clicking on the wheel itself or using the elevator trim control assignments. Do you have a control axis assigned to the elevator trim that might be moving by small amounts without any input by you?

@magdalina Thank you. Just worth mentioing for the recrord if this issue pops up again.

@martyn Thank you so much. That is awesome...When will the update be available?

This will be fixed in the next update

@martyn I've done a little testing and I often get the same thing with Nav 1, it's incorrect or silent. I've confirmed it with other planes as well.

I do have Navigraph updating the MSFS data and removing that did fix that for the C152 but not the 146, but it was a quick test and I didn't use the same VOR so I wouldn't say it's conclusive just yet, need to poke around more.

The PERF page wasn't included at release as there is no VNAV integration so it'd just be a repeat of what's available from the performance charts and speeds card, but we'll look into adding it in a future update if people would like it just for reference purposes.

@b3lt3r That's actaully close to the real Aircraft. All things being equal, the Airbrake is fully opened at 100' AGL. This is done by pulling the handle back, it will physically stop short of the SPLR setting. Once you've touch down, you then pull the handle back to the SPLR position.

In a serviceable aircraft, it is not possible to deploy the Spoilers in the air. You could hang off the handle and it shouln't occur.

On later 146s and all RJs, there is an auto spoiler function. The spoilers will automatically deploy on landing once certain weight on wheels logic is satisfied.

@dreadnought1906 Found a possible solution in another thread. If you have setup Mixture on your joystick/HOTAS (as I have), the engines can shut off if mixture is set to lean. The solution is to remove mixture from the joystick or set your mixture to full rich before starting engines. I have not tested this myself yet, but it has solved the problem for others.

@cgnoorloos
Update. Lots of testing on short final at EKBI with airspawns. CTD after CTD removed every mod and addon, no help. Then tested the Kodiak and gues what it crashed too.

However! When i removed the world update for germany and the Nordics the CTD that happened in the exact same spot ceased to exist.

TL:DR: error seems to be World Update related and not the 146!