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Possible GTN650 integration?

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  • M MarkS

    The GTN650 mod is working well in Starship version 1.1 in both 2020 and 2024. Barring any issues, it will be released on flightsim.to following FSExpo on Monday 30 June.

    I don't have image posting privileges but here's a link to a preview pic: https://i.postimg.cc/xTgfRpJq/Starship-GTN650.png

    You will also need to have the following folders installed in your Community folder:

    • PMS50 GTN750: "pms50-instrument-gtn750" from https://pms50.com/msfs/
    • JayDee's GTN750 mod: "ZZZ JD 00 GTN750 MAIN MOD 2.3 - PMS FIX" from  https://flightsim.to/file/13415/jds-gtn750-on-gns530-mod
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    @MarkS is it out yet? I dont see it...

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      @MarkS is it out yet? I dont see it...

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      @pequenyo said in Possible GTN650 integration?:

      @MarkS is it out yet? I dont see it...

      I think there was a problem with the Autopilot being controled by the GTN. Possibly because of the 1.1 update of starship? It changed parts of the Autopilot I think.

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        @MarkS is it out yet? I dont see it...

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        @pequenyo sorry no, it's currently on hold. In Starship version 1.1, the GTN will not drive the autopilot in NAV or APPR modes.

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          @pequenyo sorry no, it's currently on hold. In Starship version 1.1, the GTN will not drive the autopilot in NAV or APPR modes.

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          @MarkS Do you have any news? Or is it impossible? Thank you!

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            I will have to be careful about volunteering my time in this particular effort while there are many other features that I should be working on, but I should just say that it's definitely possible. It will take editing of the behaviors XML, and the CDU to make sure all the autopilot variables are set correctly for the GTN, but it's definitely possible.

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              I will have to be careful about volunteering my time in this particular effort while there are many other features that I should be working on, but I should just say that it's definitely possible. It will take editing of the behaviors XML, and the CDU to make sure all the autopilot variables are set correctly for the GTN, but it's definitely possible.

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              @Black-Square Happy to read this!

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                I will have to be careful about volunteering my time in this particular effort while there are many other features that I should be working on, but I should just say that it's definitely possible. It will take editing of the behaviors XML, and the CDU to make sure all the autopilot variables are set correctly for the GTN, but it's definitely possible.

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                @Black-Square this is where things stand at the moment: the GTN replaces the 430 on the pedestal, but its autopilot will not couple to the Starship autopilot in NAV or APPR modes. In NAV or APPR, it circles in a right-hand bank, and each circle is slightly larger than the last. The GTN does couple to HDG, ALT, and VS, all of which can be set either from the cockpit or the GTN autopilot panel.

                I have also observed that with either the GNS or GTN, NAV and APPR modes cannot be engaged unless an approach is loaded into the GPS. I assume this is by design.

                I can send you the mod in its current state if you'd like.

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                  Gilandred
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                  In VR, the GTN would be a lot more user friendly. I don’t even need it to drive the AP, just having it for frequencies, traffic alerts, charts, etc. would be good enough for me. Understand if you want to wait for full functionality however.

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                  • Black SquareB Black Square

                    I will have to be careful about volunteering my time in this particular effort while there are many other features that I should be working on, but I should just say that it's definitely possible. It will take editing of the behaviors XML, and the CDU to make sure all the autopilot variables are set correctly for the GTN, but it's definitely possible.

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                    Not a big fan of this. A very vocal minority gets special attention. Just for, and let’s be honest, they don’t want to use the GNS430.
                    There are much more important issues than that.

                    Charts for the VR users could better be implemented in the tablet were it would benefit everyone. Gut guess you just have to be pushy enough.

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                      Integration of charts on the tablet would be awesome!

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                        Not a big fan of this. A very vocal minority gets special attention. Just for, and let’s be honest, they don’t want to use the GNS430.
                        There are much more important issues than that.

                        Charts for the VR users could better be implemented in the tablet were it would benefit everyone. Gut guess you just have to be pushy enough.

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                        @Mad_X Nobody is pushing anyone...

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                          Integration of charts on the tablet would be awesome!

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                          @Gilandred Integrating charts into the Starship tablet seems a bit backwards to me, it would make more sense to integrate the tablet into the EFB as A2A have done with the Aerostar.

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                            @Mad_X Nobody is pushing anyone...

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                            @Rhinozherous yes, especially you. Just learn the GNS430. The real plane never had the GTN.

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                              @Rhinozherous yes, especially you. Just learn the GNS430. The real plane never had the GTN.

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                              @Mad_X said in Possible GTN650 integration?:

                              @Rhinozherous yes, especially you. Just learn the GNS430. The real plane never had the GTN.

                              This is a simulated aircraft in a sim made for simmers, you don’t have to use any GPS if YOU do not want to. What YOU can’t do though is tell anyone else what they can and can’t have, that’s up to the Nick not YOU.

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                                @Rhinozherous yes, especially you. Just learn the GNS430. The real plane never had the GTN.

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                                @Mad_X You just dont tell me what I have to do. It is all about options, but people like you never will get this. Mind your own business...

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                                  @Gilandred Integrating charts into the Starship tablet seems a bit backwards to me, it would make more sense to integrate the tablet into the EFB as A2A have done with the Aerostar.

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                                  @stuart11n there is no tablet in MSFS 2020, and Nick is still planning to continue developing aircraft for that platform.

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                                    @Mad_X said in Possible GTN650 integration?:

                                    @Rhinozherous yes, especially you. Just learn the GNS430. The real plane never had the GTN.

                                    This is a simulated aircraft in a sim made for simmers, you don’t have to use any GPS if YOU do not want to. What YOU can’t do though is tell anyone else what they can and can’t have, that’s up to the Nick not YOU.

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                                    @Mad_X said in Possible GTN650 integration?:

                                    Just learn the GNS430. The real plane never had the GTN.

                                    At present perhaps, but if a Starship's GNS quits, the replacement option for the same panel space is going to be the GTN650. Garmin is no longer servicing failed displays on the GNS430 and expects other repair capabilities to be limited going forward. From Garmin's website: "Garmin can no longer replace or repair display modules for WAAS and Non-WAAS GPS 400, GNC® 420, and GNS 430 units that are unserviceable."
                                    https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=4YQZ5dRB898aLipMtjcoqA

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                                      @Mad_X said in Possible GTN650 integration?:

                                      @Rhinozherous yes, especially you. Just learn the GNS430. The real plane never had the GTN.

                                      This is a simulated aircraft in a sim made for simmers, you don’t have to use any GPS if YOU do not want to. What YOU can’t do though is tell anyone else what they can and can’t have, that’s up to the Nick not YOU.

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                                      @Andydigital and that’s why telling me what I can and cannot do? Oh the hypocrisy. I have a different option than you. Deal with it.

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