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    Martyn JF Staff
    replied to PVJ on last edited by
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    @PVJ said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

    Firstly, well done on this brilliant plane. Great all round and I am confident it will get better.

    A few things that I have had trouble with on the tutorial flight:

    1. Config test never passes, after going through everything in the tutorial I am not sure what is not configured. But I went through it several times already now. and did the flows from scratch but none the less the alarm still sounds on the config test.
    2. Return flight, aircraft did not allow any yoke inputs mainly pitch and roll, AP was off. Rudders worked fine, both are set to the joystick for control. Would be great to know what the config test looks for so we can check those items.
    3. Using active sky weather, the aircraft had difficulty staying on course while following a direct to VOR, constantly adjusting left and right even when far out.
    4. I believe there is a "flash light" feature from your preview videos, unsure how to turn that on.
    5. Flight dynamics: aircraft seems fairly sensitive to inputs when hand flying, sudden fast jerk up or down pitches.
    6. APU exterior sound is fairly quiet.
    7. Suggestion: A tutorial video, so that newcomers can get a better visual of flows and where things are located.

    I have only done a couple flights without the FMS but will give that a go next week.

    best,
    Philip

    • Here's the list for the config check. Please let me know if you still get the warning despite setting all those correctly - https://support.justflight.com/en/support/solutions/articles/17000111825-why-is-the-take-off-configuration-horn-being-triggered-when-i-advance-the-thrust-levers-
    • It sounds like you might have inadvertently set the yoke control lock? That should be the only thing that can prevent yoke inputs. It's triggered by clicking on the yoke and can only be triggered on the ground.
    • We are tuning the AP for better nav hold
    • The flash light can be toggled from the Add-ons > Just Flight P3D lighting menu (P3D v5 only as v4 doesn't support that sort of dynamic lighting)
    • We've not encountered the sensitivity issue but will investigate
    • We'll investigate and tweak the sound volumes accordingly
    • We are working on some videos now

    Martyn - Development Manager

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    thorsten42
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    #35

    Hi,
    just did a first complete flight. Really nice to see a decent version of the lovely 146 in p3dv5 now. I had the issues already mentioned and confirmed. (V1.1 in P3D5.1hf1)

    • Plus when doing some adjustment like cruise level change the lnav stays lit but seems to lose the connection to the fms planned route. You have to turn it off and on again to continue to follow the planned route.

    • The distance calculator in the load manager config tool is totally wrong on its fuel assumptions. 750 miles its telling me to load 39000 liters of fuel... can't carry that lot ;)

    • Enhancement request for the fmc. It would be nice to load flightplans created with simbrief or lnm into the 146, please.

    • Question: are the cabin announcements avail in the fmc meant to be heard?

    Cheers and Thanks
    Thorsten

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    ConcordeAG
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    Hi @Martyn
    My feedback on the FMS/Nav issue:

    • Works fine until the first DTO
    • if I overfly the next waypoint, everything is ok.
    • If I enter another direct, the AP goes berzerk and turns away from the current route, and much more away from the newly selected direct. The only (!) option to get it working again, is by using the HDG mode to the entered waypoint (DTO), once over that waypoint re-engage LNAV, back to normal ops.
    • In addition: If I enter a DTO, make a deviation (e.g. WX), I can't reselect the same waypoint as DTO again. That should work in the universal FMS

    Regards
    Steve

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    Martyn JF Staff
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    @thorsten42 said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

    Hi,
    just did a first complete flight. Really nice to see a decent version of the lovely 146 in p3dv5 now. I had the issues already mentioned and confirmed. (V1.1 in P3D5.1hf1)

    • Plus when doing some adjustment like cruise level change the lnav stays lit but seems to lose the connection to the fms planned route. You have to turn it off and on again to continue to follow the planned route.

    • The distance calculator in the load manager config tool is totally wrong on its fuel assumptions. 750 miles its telling me to load 39000 liters of fuel... can't carry that lot ;)

    • Enhancement request for the fmc. It would be nice to load flightplans created with simbrief or lnm into the 146, please.

    • Question: are the cabin announcements avail in the fmc meant to be heard?

    Cheers and Thanks
    Thorsten

    • Should be fixed in the next update
    • Should also be fixed in the next update
    • Looking into that now
    • Announcements are coming soon

    Martyn - Development Manager

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    @ConcordeAG said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

    Hi @Martyn
    My feedback on the FMS/Nav issue:

    • Works fine until the first DTO
    • if I overfly the next waypoint, everything is ok.
    • If I enter another direct, the AP goes berzerk and turns away from the current route, and much more away from the newly selected direct. The only (!) option to get it working again, is by using the HDG mode to the entered waypoint (DTO), once over that waypoint re-engage LNAV, back to normal ops.
    • In addition: If I enter a DTO, make a deviation (e.g. WX), I can't reselect the same waypoint as DTO again. That should work in the universal FMS

    Regards
    Steve

    Thanks Steve, we'll investigate.

    Martyn - Development Manager

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    ConcordeAG
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    @Martyn np - if you need further info/tests, let me know. Happy to help :)

    Initially didn't plan to buy another Avro, but grew up with them, so couldn't resist somehow :)

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    PVJ
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    @Martyn

    I've done a handful of flights so I'll list down what is reoccurring in addition to the above:

    1. Trim setting for take off is in the correct green band, however rotation needs significant pull back on the yoke to lift off and a lot of trimming right after to keep the Avro on the right pitch, I get a lot of ballooning because of it, and the elevator on inspection also looks fairly high even though its in the green zone. Have tried with different weights and variants, same issue.
    2. Quite sensitive to pitching up and down inputs, I will try and adjust my settings but this has not been an issue on the various other Payware addons I own.
    3. On approach the plane lost the G/S 500ft before landing and the warning "GLIDESLOPE" just kept repeating all the way down with no where to turn it off, no annunciators light up either, it was just audible constantly repeating track till landing.

    Suggestions:
    4. GSX profile: not sure if its done or only for the PAX but the cargo variant isn't setup right.
    5. Cargo door opens like a spring, can that be slowed down?
    6. The FMS is fairly old and upon page selection in the sim it instantly changes, IRL it takes a second, can this be rendered to be more realistic?
    7. Short key for the torch effect, really handy tool, just wish it could be assigned to a button.

    she is still a lot of fun to learn and fly still, will do a YouTube video flight this week.

    kind regards
    Philip

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    @Martyn said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

    @PVJ said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

    Firstly, well done on this brilliant plane. Great all round and I am confident it will get better.

    A few things that I have had trouble with on the tutorial flight:

    1. Config test never passes, after going through everything in the tutorial I am not sure what is not configured. But I went through it several times already now. and did the flows from scratch but none the less the alarm still sounds on the config test.
    2. Return flight, aircraft did not allow any yoke inputs mainly pitch and roll, AP was off. Rudders worked fine, both are set to the joystick for control. Would be great to know what the config test looks for so we can check those items.
    3. Using active sky weather, the aircraft had difficulty staying on course while following a direct to VOR, constantly adjusting left and right even when far out.
    4. I believe there is a "flash light" feature from your preview videos, unsure how to turn that on.
    5. Flight dynamics: aircraft seems fairly sensitive to inputs when hand flying, sudden fast jerk up or down pitches.
    6. APU exterior sound is fairly quiet.
    7. Suggestion: A tutorial video, so that newcomers can get a better visual of flows and where things are located.

    I have only done a couple flights without the FMS but will give that a go next week.

    best,
    Philip

    • Here's the list for the config check. Please let me know if you still get the warning despite setting all those correctly - https://support.justflight.com/en/support/solutions/articles/17000111825-why-is-the-take-off-configuration-horn-being-triggered-when-i-advance-the-thrust-levers-
    • It sounds like you might have inadvertently set the yoke control lock? That should be the only thing that can prevent yoke inputs. It's triggered by clicking on the yoke and can only be triggered on the ground.
    • We are tuning the AP for better nav hold
    • The flash light can be toggled from the Add-ons > Just Flight P3D lighting menu (P3D v5 only as v4 doesn't support that sort of dynamic lighting)
    • We've not encountered the sensitivity issue but will investigate
    • We'll investigate and tweak the sound volumes accordingly
    • We are working on some videos now

    Found the torch, great tool!

    How is the lock activated precisely, or should I say unlocked? can you send a photo of the click spot to unlock it. I believe I may have clicked on it while trying to hide the yoke but accidently first trying to click on the yoke itself as many other addons do it that way, bad habbit.

    The altitude alarm is practically unheard and the exterior APU start is fairly quiet. But otherwise the other sounds are loud and clear.

    best
    Philip

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    Jumbolino
    replied to Con7inuum on last edited by Jumbolino
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    -In the FMC upon selecting DTO a fix, it seems to delete all previous fixes in the flight plan (Could be pilot/PEBKAC error/design feature - but frustrating nonetheless, as I was trying to figure out the previous RNAV issues I was having and ended up having to jump to the next waypoint in the sequence)

    +1 on these issues, the DTO issue mentioned above is a real pain.

    JL

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    Ither
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    SID/STAR not working in latest update--I have nothing for KDEN or KSLC.

    Walker Air Transport | CEO | walkerair.us

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    ConcordeAG
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    New observation:

    • FMC only accepts numbers 1-4 when selecting a SID
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    Mikealpha
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    @ConcordeAG

    yes, same here. If you have more than four SIDs (or STARs, transitions) listed, only 1-4 are selectable. If you have just four listed (e.g. at EGNX Rwy 09), only 2 are selectable.
    So you need a bit of luck to have those selectable that are needed.

    I have opened a ticket for this already.

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    @Ither said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

    SID/STAR not working in latest update--I have nothing for KDEN or KSLC.

    Just to confirm, no changes have been made to the FMC in v1.1 or v1.2. Our coder needs to take his time over any changes to avoid introducing new issues due to its complexity.

    Martyn - Development Manager

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    Another one:

    • Doesn't capture the localizer (V/L), turns away (to the left) into the nirvana
    • If only GSL is selected (while using heading mode, to avoid the above), the same thing happens

    Flightdirector tells the same story, even while trying to do it all manual, the F/D turns you away from the localizer.

    When approaching Minimums the F/D looked alright again, but wasn't keen to re-enable the autopilot to check if it would follow at this point in time.

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    capt_jonesy
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    @Oskar3058 this is exactly the same issue i am having

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    capt_jonesy
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    v1.02 still unflyable. No FMC click spot. FMC window does not open. Cannot even turn this on. All I am being told in my ticket is to download the lastest update that has no FMC fixes in it? GREAT!

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    PVJ
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    3 flights today with the FMS. Its unusable unfortunately. It simply doesn't stay on course and deviates from the flight path from waypoint to waypoint.

    The ILS is finicky. The LOC captures very late, just over the glide path in my case, however the DM reader show it is alive 20nm out or so.

    G/S on and off issues with this, seems to drop off sometimes during approach randomly.

    For now a full FMS flight isn't really worth it until a fix and the ILS needs fixing up as well it seems.

    night-flight-tnt.jpg

    Good news is I have had no CTDs on multiple leg flights from both night and day flying. With relatively high settings. On that front she's great.

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    @capt_jonesy same here

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    @ConcordeAG said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

    Another one:

    • Doesn't capture the localizer (V/L), turns away (to the left) into the nirvana
    • If only GSL is selected (while using heading mode, to avoid the above), the same thing happens

    Flightdirector tells the same story, even while trying to do it all manual, the F/D turns you away from the localizer.

    When approaching Minimums the F/D looked alright again, but wasn't keen to re-enable the autopilot to check if it would follow at this point in time.

    I can confirm that, same issue here. Even of the LOC intercept angle is 30 degrees, plane turns away from localizer. Support ticket already opened.

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    @Martyn Great news! I'm happy to learn that you are working to fix the font issue. I have it and it renders the FMC unusable.

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