BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues

Martyn

@msair said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

Hello

after flights with V1 and V1.1 I have the following feedback/problems (P3D5.1hf1):

I like the plane in general, nice exterior and cockpit (but why worn off switchbutton on NAV1?), very nice cockpit lighting, realistic sound.

FMC: select SID - I can only choose 1 to 4, if more SID are available, I can not enter or choose 5 6 7 8...

LNAV in 1.1 usable, but for my taste overshoots waypoints too much, struggles to come back on track.

same or similar with the ILS interception... LOC and GS... don't know why it strggles or turns the wrong way - will try again

Trim: very sensitive, I have a joystick button assigned, wish there was half the rate for changings.

Mouse scroll wheel - for my taste it should behave the opposite way (as used from other planes). Or can it be changed somewhere?

Turning knobs: is there a key for turning faster? normal 1 click 1 step / accellerated 1 click 10 steps

AP/ALT: leveloff 100ft below selected ALT

would be nice to have [shift+8] for a pop up window of center console (AP/XPDR/Brake)

greetings
msair

The worn off switch on VHF NAV 1 is exactly as found on our real-world reference aircraft
We're investigating the FMC SID issue
We're investigating the LNAV and ILS intercept rates and will tune those further
We should be able to reduce the elevator trim rate in the next update
The mouse wheel logic should be the usual wheel up to increase, wheel down to decrease but let me know if any controls aren't following that logic
The course, heading and altitude arm selectors should all allow fast selection. Is that not the case for you, or are you referring to other controls?
Alt arm level-off is being refined now
We'll look into adding a 2D panel for the aft centre console panels

Martyn

@PVJ said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

Firstly, well done on this brilliant plane. Great all round and I am confident it will get better.

A few things that I have had trouble with on the tutorial flight:

Config test never passes, after going through everything in the tutorial I am not sure what is not configured. But I went through it several times already now. and did the flows from scratch but none the less the alarm still sounds on the config test.

Return flight, aircraft did not allow any yoke inputs mainly pitch and roll, AP was off. Rudders worked fine, both are set to the joystick for control. Would be great to know what the config test looks for so we can check those items.

Using active sky weather, the aircraft had difficulty staying on course while following a direct to VOR, constantly adjusting left and right even when far out.

I believe there is a "flash light" feature from your preview videos, unsure how to turn that on.

Flight dynamics: aircraft seems fairly sensitive to inputs when hand flying, sudden fast jerk up or down pitches.

APU exterior sound is fairly quiet.

Suggestion: A tutorial video, so that newcomers can get a better visual of flows and where things are located.

I have only done a couple flights without the FMS but will give that a go next week.

best,
Philip

Here's the list for the config check. Please let me know if you still get the warning despite setting all those correctly - https://support.justflight.com/en/support/solutions/articles/17000111825-why-is-the-take-off-configuration-horn-being-triggered-when-i-advance-the-thrust-levers-
It sounds like you might have inadvertently set the yoke control lock? That should be the only thing that can prevent yoke inputs. It's triggered by clicking on the yoke and can only be triggered on the ground.
We are tuning the AP for better nav hold
The flash light can be toggled from the Add-ons > Just Flight P3D lighting menu (P3D v5 only as v4 doesn't support that sort of dynamic lighting)
We've not encountered the sensitivity issue but will investigate
We'll investigate and tweak the sound volumes accordingly
We are working on some videos now

thorsten42

Hi,
just did a first complete flight. Really nice to see a decent version of the lovely 146 in p3dv5 now. I had the issues already mentioned and confirmed. (V1.1 in P3D5.1hf1)

Plus when doing some adjustment like cruise level change the lnav stays lit but seems to lose the connection to the fms planned route. You have to turn it off and on again to continue to follow the planned route.
The distance calculator in the load manager config tool is totally wrong on its fuel assumptions. 750 miles its telling me to load 39000 liters of fuel... can't carry that lot ;)
Enhancement request for the fmc. It would be nice to load flightplans created with simbrief or lnm into the 146, please.
Question: are the cabin announcements avail in the fmc meant to be heard?

Cheers and Thanks
Thorsten

ConcordeAG

Hi @Martyn
My feedback on the FMS/Nav issue:

Works fine until the first DTO
if I overfly the next waypoint, everything is ok.
If I enter another direct, the AP goes berzerk and turns away from the current route, and much more away from the newly selected direct. The only (!) option to get it working again, is by using the HDG mode to the entered waypoint (DTO), once over that waypoint re-engage LNAV, back to normal ops.
In addition: If I enter a DTO, make a deviation (e.g. WX), I can't reselect the same waypoint as DTO again. That should work in the universal FMS

Regards
Steve

Martyn

@thorsten42 said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

Hi,
just did a first complete flight. Really nice to see a decent version of the lovely 146 in p3dv5 now. I had the issues already mentioned and confirmed. (V1.1 in P3D5.1hf1)

Plus when doing some adjustment like cruise level change the lnav stays lit but seems to lose the connection to the fms planned route. You have to turn it off and on again to continue to follow the planned route.

The distance calculator in the load manager config tool is totally wrong on its fuel assumptions. 750 miles its telling me to load 39000 liters of fuel... can't carry that lot ;)

Enhancement request for the fmc. It would be nice to load flightplans created with simbrief or lnm into the 146, please.

Question: are the cabin announcements avail in the fmc meant to be heard?

Cheers and Thanks
Thorsten

Should be fixed in the next update
Should also be fixed in the next update
Looking into that now
Announcements are coming soon

Martyn

@ConcordeAG said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

Hi @Martyn
My feedback on the FMS/Nav issue:

Works fine until the first DTO

if I overfly the next waypoint, everything is ok.

If I enter another direct, the AP goes berzerk and turns away from the current route, and much more away from the newly selected direct. The only (!) option to get it working again, is by using the HDG mode to the entered waypoint (DTO), once over that waypoint re-engage LNAV, back to normal ops.

In addition: If I enter a DTO, make a deviation (e.g. WX), I can't reselect the same waypoint as DTO again. That should work in the universal FMS

Regards
Steve

Thanks Steve, we'll investigate.

ConcordeAG

@Martyn np - if you need further info/tests, let me know. Happy to help :)

Initially didn't plan to buy another Avro, but grew up with them, so couldn't resist somehow :)

PVJ

@Martyn

I've done a handful of flights so I'll list down what is reoccurring in addition to the above:

Trim setting for take off is in the correct green band, however rotation needs significant pull back on the yoke to lift off and a lot of trimming right after to keep the Avro on the right pitch, I get a lot of ballooning because of it, and the elevator on inspection also looks fairly high even though its in the green zone. Have tried with different weights and variants, same issue.
Quite sensitive to pitching up and down inputs, I will try and adjust my settings but this has not been an issue on the various other Payware addons I own.
On approach the plane lost the G/S 500ft before landing and the warning "GLIDESLOPE" just kept repeating all the way down with no where to turn it off, no annunciators light up either, it was just audible constantly repeating track till landing.

Suggestions:
4. GSX profile: not sure if its done or only for the PAX but the cargo variant isn't setup right.
5. Cargo door opens like a spring, can that be slowed down?
6. The FMS is fairly old and upon page selection in the sim it instantly changes, IRL it takes a second, can this be rendered to be more realistic?
7. Short key for the torch effect, really handy tool, just wish it could be assigned to a button.

she is still a lot of fun to learn and fly still, will do a YouTube video flight this week.

kind regards
Philip

PVJ

@Martyn said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

@PVJ said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

Firstly, well done on this brilliant plane. Great all round and I am confident it will get better.

A few things that I have had trouble with on the tutorial flight:

Config test never passes, after going through everything in the tutorial I am not sure what is not configured. But I went through it several times already now. and did the flows from scratch but none the less the alarm still sounds on the config test.

Return flight, aircraft did not allow any yoke inputs mainly pitch and roll, AP was off. Rudders worked fine, both are set to the joystick for control. Would be great to know what the config test looks for so we can check those items.

Using active sky weather, the aircraft had difficulty staying on course while following a direct to VOR, constantly adjusting left and right even when far out.

I believe there is a "flash light" feature from your preview videos, unsure how to turn that on.

Flight dynamics: aircraft seems fairly sensitive to inputs when hand flying, sudden fast jerk up or down pitches.

APU exterior sound is fairly quiet.

Suggestion: A tutorial video, so that newcomers can get a better visual of flows and where things are located.

I have only done a couple flights without the FMS but will give that a go next week.

best,
Philip

Here's the list for the config check. Please let me know if you still get the warning despite setting all those correctly - https://support.justflight.com/en/support/solutions/articles/17000111825-why-is-the-take-off-configuration-horn-being-triggered-when-i-advance-the-thrust-levers-

It sounds like you might have inadvertently set the yoke control lock? That should be the only thing that can prevent yoke inputs. It's triggered by clicking on the yoke and can only be triggered on the ground.

We are tuning the AP for better nav hold

The flash light can be toggled from the Add-ons > Just Flight P3D lighting menu (P3D v5 only as v4 doesn't support that sort of dynamic lighting)

We've not encountered the sensitivity issue but will investigate

We'll investigate and tweak the sound volumes accordingly

We are working on some videos now

Found the torch, great tool!

How is the lock activated precisely, or should I say unlocked? can you send a photo of the click spot to unlock it. I believe I may have clicked on it while trying to hide the yoke but accidently first trying to click on the yoke itself as many other addons do it that way, bad habbit.

The altitude alarm is practically unheard and the exterior APU start is fairly quiet. But otherwise the other sounds are loud and clear.

best
Philip

Jumbolino

-In the FMC upon selecting DTO a fix, it seems to delete all previous fixes in the flight plan (Could be pilot/PEBKAC error/design feature - but frustrating nonetheless, as I was trying to figure out the previous RNAV issues I was having and ended up having to jump to the next waypoint in the sequence)

+1 on these issues, the DTO issue mentioned above is a real pain.

JL

Ither

SID/STAR not working in latest update--I have nothing for KDEN or KSLC.

ConcordeAG

New observation:

FMC only accepts numbers 1-4 when selecting a SID

Mikealpha

@ConcordeAG

yes, same here. If you have more than four SIDs (or STARs, transitions) listed, only 1-4 are selectable. If you have just four listed (e.g. at EGNX Rwy 09), only 2 are selectable.
So you need a bit of luck to have those selectable that are needed.

I have opened a ticket for this already.

Martyn

@Ither said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

SID/STAR not working in latest update--I have nothing for KDEN or KSLC.

Just to confirm, no changes have been made to the FMC in v1.1 or v1.2. Our coder needs to take his time over any changes to avoid introducing new issues due to its complexity.

ConcordeAG

Another one:

Doesn't capture the localizer (V/L), turns away (to the left) into the nirvana
If only GSL is selected (while using heading mode, to avoid the above), the same thing happens

Flightdirector tells the same story, even while trying to do it all manual, the F/D turns you away from the localizer.

When approaching Minimums the F/D looked alright again, but wasn't keen to re-enable the autopilot to check if it would follow at this point in time.

capt_jonesy

@Oskar3058 this is exactly the same issue i am having

capt_jonesy

v1.02 still unflyable. No FMC click spot. FMC window does not open. Cannot even turn this on. All I am being told in my ticket is to download the lastest update that has no FMC fixes in it? GREAT!

PVJ

3 flights today with the FMS. Its unusable unfortunately. It simply doesn't stay on course and deviates from the flight path from waypoint to waypoint.

The ILS is finicky. The LOC captures very late, just over the glide path in my case, however the DM reader show it is alive 20nm out or so.

G/S on and off issues with this, seems to drop off sometimes during approach randomly.

For now a full FMS flight isn't really worth it until a fix and the ILS needs fixing up as well it seems.

Good news is I have had no CTDs on multiple leg flights from both night and day flying. With relatively high settings. On that front she's great.

Oskar3058

@capt_jonesy same here

Mikealpha

@ConcordeAG said in BAe 146 Professional P3D v5 FMS/AP Issues:

Another one:

Doesn't capture the localizer (V/L), turns away (to the left) into the nirvana

If only GSL is selected (while using heading mode, to avoid the above), the same thing happens

Flightdirector tells the same story, even while trying to do it all manual, the F/D turns you away from the localizer.

When approaching Minimums the F/D looked alright again, but wasn't keen to re-enable the autopilot to check if it would follow at this point in time.

I can confirm that, same issue here. Even of the LOC intercept angle is 30 degrees, plane turns away from localizer. Support ticket already opened.