Possible GTN650 integration?

Dingle

@MarkS you also mentioned you had issues with the liveries, I was modifying all panel.cfg, but so did you probably. Which livery did you get too work? The 2000s?

MarkS

@Dingle my livery problems were entirely self-inflicted. Initially I could only get it to work with the 2000A livery, but I've got the GTN appearing in all liveries now.

That said, if you have livery from a 3rd party, you'll need to make the same edits to its panel.cfg file.

Dingle

@MarkS Great, I will try tonight. I will edit all of the panel.cfg and hope for the best.

Marionettework

@MarkS said in Possible GTN650 integration?:

@Dingle my livery problems were entirely self-inflicted. Initially I could only get it to work with the 2000A livery, but I've got the GTN appearing in all liveries now.

That said, if you have livery from a 3rd party, you'll need to make the same edits to its panel.cfg file.

Is there a way to provide a 3rd party livery panel.cfg without messing up what you’re doing with the GTN? What is the easiest way to make the two compatible?

Working on a livery right and I’d also like your mod to work.

MarkS

@Marionettework If you made your panel.cfg compatible with my mod, then it wouldn’t be compatible any longer with the base product. For that reason, I provide instructions with my mods for the end user to make the required modification. The 40th Anniversary DC-3 has the same requirement.

Please also note that, currently, “work” is a relative term. The GTN functions within itself, but right now it will not couple to the autopilot for NAV or APPR so it looks nice but can’t do anything. It remains to be seen if this is solvable.

Dingle

@MarkS Just tried it again. I am missing something. I have the PANEL.CFG and the panel.xml like mentioned by @Black-Square in the mod folder and I see that the panel.cfg is taken from the mod folder. But still the GNS430 appears. Any idea?

MarkS

@Dingle

Check your path. The panel files should be under MODNAME\SimObjects\Airplanes\bksq-aircraft-starship\panel (and panel.NNNNN)
Did you regenerate the layout.cfg file?
Ensure the pms50-instrument-gtn750 and "ZZZ JD 00 GTN750 MAIN MOD 2.3 - PMS FIX" folders are in Community,.

Dingle

@MarkS I checked multiple times and see in the VFS that there are both pathes present, I am now wondering if the order it loads might be wrong as both folders are in the community folder.

Thanks for the patience.

Dingle

@MarkS It now shows, so it really was the order it loads from the community folder... I should have thought of that earlier. Sorry.

MarkS

@Dingle no worries, I've been bitten by that one myself in the past.

Dingle

@MarkS I guess after the new autopilot code it will no longer work. Even the poped out gtn750 cant control it anymore.

MarkS

@Dingle yes, it’s like the GTN is being blocked somehow. But not all of it, oddly enough. HDG mode works, and you can set an altitude, VS mode, and a rate of climb or descent using the autopilot panel on the GTN. FLC might work too, though I’ve not tried it.

It’s as if the new autopilot code is detached from and is ignoring the standard autopilot’s NAV and APPR functions. If so, it follows that the GTN wouldn’t work either. But I’m just spitballing here, and the man who knows for certain is at FSExpo.

We should be prepared for the possibility that this is one of those planes where it’s just too much trouble to mod a GTN into it. I have had one or two of those in the past. But I’m not giving up on this one just yet.

Rhinozherous

Thank you for trying! The default 430 is the only flaw on this otherwise awesome aircraft.

pequenyo

@MarkS is it out yet? I dont see it...

Rhinozherous

@pequenyo said in Possible GTN650 integration?:

@MarkS is it out yet? I dont see it...

I think there was a problem with the Autopilot being controled by the GTN. Possibly because of the 1.1 update of starship? It changed parts of the Autopilot I think.

MarkS

@pequenyo sorry no, it's currently on hold. In Starship version 1.1, the GTN will not drive the autopilot in NAV or APPR modes.

Rhinozherous

@MarkS Do you have any news? Or is it impossible? Thank you!

Black Square

I will have to be careful about volunteering my time in this particular effort while there are many other features that I should be working on, but I should just say that it's definitely possible. It will take editing of the behaviors XML, and the CDU to make sure all the autopilot variables are set correctly for the GTN, but it's definitely possible.

Rhinozherous

@Black-Square Happy to read this!

MarkS

@Black-Square this is where things stand at the moment: the GTN replaces the 430 on the pedestal, but its autopilot will not couple to the Starship autopilot in NAV or APPR modes. In NAV or APPR, it circles in a right-hand bank, and each circle is slightly larger than the last. The GTN does couple to HDG, ALT, and VS, all of which can be set either from the cockpit or the GTN autopilot panel.

I have also observed that with either the GNS or GTN, NAV and APPR modes cannot be engaged unless an approach is loaded into the GPS. I assume this is by design.

I can send you the mod in its current state if you'd like.