Pitch "jerks"
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The changelog lists all of the changes. Unfortunately we were not able to include FDE changes in this update due to our FDE developer having significant internet connection issues which we hope will be resolved soon. We will release the FDE changes as soon as we have them.
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The changelog lists all of the changes. Unfortunately we were not able to include FDE changes in this update due to our FDE developer having significant internet connection issues which we hope will be resolved soon. We will release the FDE changes as soon as we have them.
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@sebastianr Our FDE developer is working on updates for all our aircraft at the moment so the next round of updates, including for the Arrow III, will be available in the next couple of weeks.
@martyn Do you have a more certain release date? Shall we send some internets to the FD dev? By now any changes should have reached you even with the normal postal service
It has been quite a while now that the aircraft basically has been unuseable as the violent shaking is beyond bearable. -
@martyn Do you have a more certain release date? Shall we send some internets to the FD dev? By now any changes should have reached you even with the normal postal service
It has been quite a while now that the aircraft basically has been unuseable as the violent shaking is beyond bearable. -
@elmond Our FDE developer has been back working on all our MSFS FDEs again in recent weeks and we'll be providing more information on the next round of updates very soon.
@martyn Is there any update yet?
I honestly struggle to fly the plane over hilly terrain and in windy conditions, it is nearly vertigo inducing. I would really love to be able to comfortably fly the plane more. -
@martyn Is there any update yet?
I honestly struggle to fly the plane over hilly terrain and in windy conditions, it is nearly vertigo inducing. I would really love to be able to comfortably fly the plane more.@cgnoorloos Do you have the latest version? This was improved in 0.10.3
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@cgnoorloos Do you have the latest version? This was improved in 0.10.3
@n293wk I believe so. This one was installed from 22.02.22 after i recieved an update e-mail from JF
Edit: Just found that i have the 0.10.2
Will check the updated one.
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@n293wk I believe so. This one was installed from 22.02.22 after i recieved an update e-mail from JF
Edit: Just found that i have the 0.10.2
Will check the updated one.
@cgnoorloos Actually I think the flight model improvements were done in 0.10.2, because 0.10.3 was just a hotfix. In that case you probably already had the improvements that I was talking about
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I was just pointed to this one and i shall copy my text from my post here too.
What frustrates me a lot here is that i spend over a week watching reviews on YT, etc, and nowehere did i see this mentioned (until now). Not even when i asked for bugs.
Since i generaly fly between 1000-2000ft it simply makes the plane nearly unflyable as the FM just feels broken over uneven ground. I am also quite sure it has to do with updrafts/ downdrafts from the ground geometry.It is honestly so bad that if i could i would ask for a refund if this isn't fixable, despite how amazing the module is otherwise. This is simply just absolutely broken where i do 90% of my flying.
Here is my post:
Hey all.
I am having issues where the plane behaves very erratic during flight over steep cliffs/mountain sides and hitting the turbulent rising air.
It seems to really kick the nose of the plane up and down in a lightning fast manner. So fast it nearly looks like stutters (which it isn't).It this a known bug and will it be fixed? Over very mountainous areas it is nearly headace inducing when it jumps up and down a lot.
When over water or smooth/roling landscape it flies absolutely beautifull.
@cgnoorloos I just bought this plane a couple of weeks ago and immediately noticed the same thing. It doesn't seem tied to ground geometry, just turbulence. The small pitch changes are so abrupt and jarring that I get a headache from it. None of the other planes I've flown in MSFS are like this. I'm not sure if it is the flight model (as if there is no angular momentum in the pitch direction) or something else. The other thing that I noticed is that elevator input results in extremely fast and precise pitch moments as well which doesn't feel right. I was really looking forward to this plane, but at this point I don't want to fly it. The fact that many people fly this model without complaint leads me to believe there is some other interaction or corruption involved. My purchase was through the marketplace for reference. I really hope the devs can crack this problem.
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@cgnoorloos Actually I think the flight model improvements were done in 0.10.2, because 0.10.3 was just a hotfix. In that case you probably already had the improvements that I was talking about
@n293wk Yeah had no change unfortunately. Quite a shame, i hope it gets fixed somehow.
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@cgnoorloos I just bought this plane a couple of weeks ago and immediately noticed the same thing. It doesn't seem tied to ground geometry, just turbulence. The small pitch changes are so abrupt and jarring that I get a headache from it. None of the other planes I've flown in MSFS are like this. I'm not sure if it is the flight model (as if there is no angular momentum in the pitch direction) or something else. The other thing that I noticed is that elevator input results in extremely fast and precise pitch moments as well which doesn't feel right. I was really looking forward to this plane, but at this point I don't want to fly it. The fact that many people fly this model without complaint leads me to believe there is some other interaction or corruption involved. My purchase was through the marketplace for reference. I really hope the devs can crack this problem.
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@ajbarber Found this video which shows the jittering pitch changes. https://youtu.be/ZRU_ss4SW3I?t=1755
The video creator doesn't seem to notice or be bothered by it.@ajbarber said in Pitch "jerks":
@ajbarber Found this video which shows the jittering pitch changes. https://youtu.be/ZRU_ss4SW3I?t=1755
The video creator doesn't seem to notice or be bothered by it.Aye good one. Also those are pretty tame, when i flew the Turbo 3 over australia it was a lot more violent.
I am at a point now where i am going to have to park these amazing planes.
Not too happy since this has seemingly gotten a lot worse the last updates, or just because of the weather changes and there seemingly is little to nothing going on to fix this.These planes get a ton of praise, yet mine are near unflyiable in a lot of weather types
Edit: I will try to make a recording of the issue.
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@ajbarber said in Pitch "jerks":
@ajbarber Found this video which shows the jittering pitch changes. https://youtu.be/ZRU_ss4SW3I?t=1755
The video creator doesn't seem to notice or be bothered by it.Aye good one. Also those are pretty tame, when i flew the Turbo 3 over australia it was a lot more violent.
I am at a point now where i am going to have to park these amazing planes.
Not too happy since this has seemingly gotten a lot worse the last updates, or just because of the weather changes and there seemingly is little to nothing going on to fix this.These planes get a ton of praise, yet mine are near unflyiable in a lot of weather types
Edit: I will try to make a recording of the issue.
Here is a recording. It starts at around 0:35sec. Here it still is very mild.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e89_pzyKQMAnd here, starts at just after 1:40, again a mild case but this was just random flight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8wi4hEaNjsEdit: I know this is the Turbo but the regular one does have the same issue for me. Wil edit in a link to a video in a bit.
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Here is a recording. It starts at around 0:35sec. Here it still is very mild.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e89_pzyKQMAnd here, starts at just after 1:40, again a mild case but this was just random flight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8wi4hEaNjsEdit: I know this is the Turbo but the regular one does have the same issue for me. Wil edit in a link to a video in a bit.
@cgnoorloos The amount of turbulence and bouncing in these videos looks quite realistic and normal to me.... In both videos the aircraft does not begin to bounce until you fly over the hills, and in the second video the vertical speed also increases significantly, indicating that you are in a strong updraft. It should also be noted that Asobo increased the level of thermal updrafts and turbulence in SU9, as indicated below...
https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/questions/6853/su9-flight-model-changes-excessive-turbulence-and.html
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@cgnoorloos The amount of turbulence and bouncing in these videos looks quite realistic and normal to me.... In both videos the aircraft does not begin to bounce until you fly over the hills, and in the second video the vertical speed also increases significantly, indicating that you are in a strong updraft. It should also be noted that Asobo increased the level of thermal updrafts and turbulence in SU9, as indicated below...
https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/questions/6853/su9-flight-model-changes-excessive-turbulence-and.html
Yes, these were very calm, have found a spot that shows it better. Did a lap in both planes. Also should note, this happens only in the Arrows. Not the Kodiak, Islander, Corsair, or any of the stock planes.
Arrow 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmEyon4PNFwTurbo Arrow 3 This one bounces a LOT more. Look at .1:40 And where i flew yesterday it bounced even more.
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Yes, these were very calm, have found a spot that shows it better. Did a lap in both planes. Also should note, this happens only in the Arrows. Not the Kodiak, Islander, Corsair, or any of the stock planes.
Arrow 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmEyon4PNFwTurbo Arrow 3 This one bounces a LOT more. Look at .1:40 And where i flew yesterday it bounced even more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTl7Y-fPSfE@cgnoorloos The Turbo arrow has a max weight of 2900 lbs., while the Kodiak weighs 7200 lbs., the Islander is about 6600 lbs. and the Corsair has a max weight of over 14000 lbs... Any aircraft that weighs 2 or 3 times more than the Arrow is going to be much less susceptible to turbulence.
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@cgnoorloos The Turbo arrow has a max weight of 2900 lbs., while the Kodiak weighs 7200 lbs., the Islander is about 6600 lbs. and the Corsair has a max weight of over 14000 lbs... Any aircraft that weighs 2 or 3 times more than the Arrow is going to be much less susceptible to turbulence.
@retiredman93231 I get there is turbulence and that there are different weights. But watch that last video of the Turbo Arrow i linked in its full duration please. Sorry but that is not how it should behave. It is not being tossed up/down, it is changing pitch in like a blink, there is no feel of weight transfer either. Had that flown like that IRL it would be rather bad for both plane and occupants.
Note that this has been since i bought the planes. This is not new after SU9, but it has increased.
Edit: Also here, again watch the Turbo from 0:35 and 01:40. Don't tell me that is realistic motion.
Stock 152:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms8Gxhv-v_ATurbo Arrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTl7Y-fPSfEEdit 2:
This is what Turbulence looks like, not there it not even a hint of that jittery pitch behavior like what happens in MFS.
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@retiredman93231 I get there is turbulence and that there are different weights. But watch that last video of the Turbo Arrow i linked in its full duration please. Sorry but that is not how it should behave. It is not being tossed up/down, it is changing pitch in like a blink, there is no feel of weight transfer either. Had that flown like that IRL it would be rather bad for both plane and occupants.
Note that this has been since i bought the planes. This is not new after SU9, but it has increased.
Edit: Also here, again watch the Turbo from 0:35 and 01:40. Don't tell me that is realistic motion.
Stock 152:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms8Gxhv-v_ATurbo Arrow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTl7Y-fPSfEEdit 2:
This is what Turbulence looks like, not there it not even a hint of that jittery pitch behavior like what happens in MFS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjwE20T9p3A@cgnoorloos I recommend trying a comparison flight between the Turbo Arrow III and the Bonanza G36, which are more similar in size, configuration and weight.
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@cgnoorloos I recommend trying a comparison flight between the Turbo Arrow III and the Bonanza G36, which are more similar in size, configuration and weight.
@retiredman93231 I have flown the Bonanza, that one doesn't do it either. Did you even watch that Turbo Arrow clip i linked?
Please stop downplaying this as a "This is how it should be", because it is not. You cannot tell me you fly with that and think it is fine. If you do not have an issue with it kudos for you but i do and i need it fixed.
