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    Martyn
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    Hi all,

    We are looking for some volunteers to help us evaluate possible changes to the Hawk T1 flight model. Please send me a private message if you've been experiencing any handling issues and would like to help.

    Martyn - Just Flight

    Martyn - Development Manager

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      Hi all,

      We are looking for some volunteers to help us evaluate possible changes to the Hawk T1 flight model. Please send me a private message if you've been experiencing any handling issues and would like to help.

      Martyn - Just Flight

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      Fab10
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      @martyn Is this offer still open?
      I am having a terrible time flying the Hawk, whereas other military jets are fine.
      I’m not quite ready to write off a £32 purchase, but I’m choosing to fly the L-39 and MB339 over the Hawk.
      My XP11 Hawk was fine with the same control setup.

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        @martyn Is this offer still open?
        I am having a terrible time flying the Hawk, whereas other military jets are fine.
        I’m not quite ready to write off a £32 purchase, but I’m choosing to fly the L-39 and MB339 over the Hawk.
        My XP11 Hawk was fine with the same control setup.

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        @fab10 With the PA28 and 146 update work now coming to an end, we are busy working on the full Hawk T1 update but in the meantime you're welcome to try the updated flight model. I'll send you a private message with the details.

        Martyn - Development Manager

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        • MartynM Martyn

          @fab10 With the PA28 and 146 update work now coming to an end, we are busy working on the full Hawk T1 update but in the meantime you're welcome to try the updated flight model. I'll send you a private message with the details.

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          Fab10
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          @martyn Thank you, I'm testing it our now. I'm grateful for your quick reply.

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          • MartynM Martyn

            @fab10 With the PA28 and 146 update work now coming to an end, we are busy working on the full Hawk T1 update but in the meantime you're welcome to try the updated flight model. I'll send you a private message with the details.

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            @martyn OK, I'm still having issues with the "sensitivity" for want of a better description. I have attached a screenshot of my specific Hawk settings. The joystick is a inexpensive Speedlink Phantom Hawk, but it's fine for Airbus and other military sorts, so I wouldn't want to apportion blame there.
            Overall, there is an apparent control lag which causes a knock-on effect on the control surfaces, so if I pull back, there's an aerodynamic delay, and suddenly the aircraft "jumps". The same applies to roll.
            This particular CFG seems to have less nose down down authority?
            Are there any recommended control settings? I'm happy to amend my T1/A profile as required.
            The trouble is that I am an unaccomplished military pilot, that said, I can manage the L-39 and MB339 more so than the Hawk.
            also the reactivity is shown as 50% but that is after I changed it.
            Screenshot 2023-05-12 092216.png

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              Delta558
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              @fab10 This really isn't the place to go through feedback on updates, it'll just confuse the issue with both release and test versions in the same place. Feel free to pm me, or Martyn may be in the process of setting you up with a testing feedback site.

              Having said that, we test with linear curves and min deadzones, the latter look okay, but straight lines on the graphs - I'm sure if you search this forum for 'control sensitivity' you'll find the image I have posted, not at the PC so I can't repost here sorry.

              Just Flight FDE developer

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              • MartynM Martyn

                @fab10 With the PA28 and 146 update work now coming to an end, we are busy working on the full Hawk T1 update but in the meantime you're welcome to try the updated flight model. I'll send you a private message with the details.

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                DiscoDan
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                @martyn Is there a new flight model to test. I would like to try it if possible.

                Thanks!

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                  @fab10 This really isn't the place to go through feedback on updates, it'll just confuse the issue with both release and test versions in the same place. Feel free to pm me, or Martyn may be in the process of setting you up with a testing feedback site.

                  Having said that, we test with linear curves and min deadzones, the latter look okay, but straight lines on the graphs - I'm sure if you search this forum for 'control sensitivity' you'll find the image I have posted, not at the PC so I can't repost here sorry.

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                  @delta558
                  If this isn’t the place to continue the JF initiated thread in which people have already replied, then that would have been useful information to have known prior to being directed otherwise.
                  At £32, I’ll not be your beta tester, thank you all the same.

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                    @delta558
                    If this isn’t the place to continue the JF initiated thread in which people have already replied, then that would have been useful information to have known prior to being directed otherwise.
                    At £32, I’ll not be your beta tester, thank you all the same.

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                    @fab10
                    Totally my bad - I hadn't noticed that this was a specific 'Update' thread, apologies!

                    Just Flight FDE developer

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                      @delta558
                      If this isn’t the place to continue the JF initiated thread in which people have already replied, then that would have been useful information to have known prior to being directed otherwise.
                      At £32, I’ll not be your beta tester, thank you all the same.

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                      Martyn
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                      @fab10 Thanks for the feedback and absolutely no need for you to get involved in testing. A full public release is coming soon.

                      Martyn - Development Manager

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                      • MartynM Martyn

                        @fab10 Thanks for the feedback and absolutely no need for you to get involved in testing. A full public release is coming soon.

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                        Fab10
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                        @Martyn Thank you. No matter how much I try to make friends with the Hawk, it just turns and bites me. Other military aircraft types are fine (MB339, L-39, Iris PC-21), but the Hawk is unpredictably unmanageable. Sorry, but I am trying.

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                        • MartynM Martyn

                          @fab10 Thanks for the feedback and absolutely no need for you to get involved in testing. A full public release is coming soon.

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                          Fab10
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                          @martyn
                          It's time to eat a great deal of humble pie.
                          I have reset my controls to linear, and the Hawk is behaving predictably as expected - in fact it's wonderful!
                          I am sorry to have aired my thoughts as previously I did, and can but apologise for my trigger finger Italian temperament.
                          Fabio

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