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    Black Square
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    #23

    Thanks for understanding. It's not always an easy give-and-take between developer and user, but having great users makes it a lot easier, and I hope the same can be said of this developer. I'm always happy to answer questions! It really is something I quite enjoy about building these aircraft.

    If you decide to take on these bindings with a new piece of software, please let me know if there is anything I can do to make that process easier for you!

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      Along these lines, Nick, in the Duke it was preferred to use the CWS Lvar instead of the MSFS bind or Kvar, but you had an option to enable Kvars if desired.

      In Starship, there's no such option, and the MSFS Kvar seems to work fine. Does the same apply to Starship in that the Lvar is preferred, or have you yet worked more magic?

      Related: CWS/Pitch sync does not control VS or IAS, only Pitch mode. While that's believable on its face, I wanted to double check since that's how you set all those things in certain APs, like the JF 146, for instance.

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        I still can't enter a preselect altitude in 2020 or 2024 via the Honeycomb Bravo, although I can grab the knob with the mouse and it reacts right away (e.g., in IRL as SIC I would go out to the King Air get out clearance and setup the flight plan, weights, speed bugs, AFCS, etc) - this inability to set the preselect with the Bravo but with the mouse is what I don't understand.

        I have verified the LVAR bridge is installed, the SPAD profile I made has been saved and activated, I have tested communication between SPAD and 2024, all is good but I can't set my initial altitude with the Bravo. Honestly I can't seem to get any of the SPAD bindings to work in 2024.

        Fortunately this is the only downside but some things would be nice to use my peripherals vs the mouse from an immersion point of view - open to suggestions.

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          You say you can't get any of my HTML event bindings to work in MSFS 2024, is that correct? Hopefully someone else will chime in with a solution, since I think there are plenty using SPAD in 2024 with Starship. If you describe what you're trying to accomplish and what events you're using to do it, I'm happy to help you troubleshoot more.

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            Callsign_DISCO
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            Think I just need a screengrab of a working ALT SEL binding for a Honeycomb Bravo - something to use as a go-by.

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              Ah, that's because you won't find them there. Those are custom events that I've created specifically for Starship, and you will need to use some 3rd party hardware binding software to utilize them.

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              @Black-Square I was hoping to be able to use my Honeycomb Bravo without third party software like SpadNeXt to fly the Starship in MSFS 2020. I'm finding it difficult to find instructions on how to use the ALI-850A. When I set the altitude for a climb, then get the feet per minute working, the device sometimes just ignores the set altitude and keeps climbing above the set altitude unless I set the FPM back to zero. Or, I press the FPM button on the Bravo, and the FD light turns on on the 850A, but it doesn't allow me to adjust the FPM either with the knob on the Bravo or the knob on the 850A. It's been very frustrating. Descending is easy because of the Descent button. That works fine. Any ideas?

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                @Black-Square I was hoping to be able to use my Honeycomb Bravo without third party software like SpadNeXt to fly the Starship in MSFS 2020. I'm finding it difficult to find instructions on how to use the ALI-850A. When I set the altitude for a climb, then get the feet per minute working, the device sometimes just ignores the set altitude and keeps climbing above the set altitude unless I set the FPM back to zero. Or, I press the FPM button on the Bravo, and the FD light turns on on the 850A, but it doesn't allow me to adjust the FPM either with the knob on the Bravo or the knob on the 850A. It's been very frustrating. Descending is easy because of the Descent button. That works fine. Any ideas?

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                @gyeltsen If you're already using SPAD, it should be very easy for you to create a profile for Starship and set all the correct events that are needed to interface with the autopilot in this very complex aircraft. You can see some of them above, like H:ALT_VerticalSpeedKnob_Inc_1, but the rest are at the end of the manual. Let me know if you need any others that I can help you with, though!

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                  gyeltsen
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                  #30

                  I have never used SPAD and it looks like a fairly steep learning curve. I was hoping to be able to use my Honeycomb Bravo without third party software. BTW, I think the Starship is great. I was the Business Manager for Beechcraft West where I had the good fortune of flying in one as a passenger a few times. If someone had a complete SPAD profile for the Starship using Honeycomb Bravo that I could simply copy and use that would be great!

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                    @Black-Square I was hoping to be able to use my Honeycomb Bravo without third party software like SpadNeXt to fly the Starship in MSFS 2020. I'm finding it difficult to find instructions on how to use the ALI-850A. When I set the altitude for a climb, then get the feet per minute working, the device sometimes just ignores the set altitude and keeps climbing above the set altitude unless I set the FPM back to zero. Or, I press the FPM button on the Bravo, and the FD light turns on on the 850A, but it doesn't allow me to adjust the FPM either with the knob on the Bravo or the knob on the 850A. It's been very frustrating. Descending is easy because of the Descent button. That works fine. Any ideas?

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                    Avionic
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                    #31

                    @gyeltsen I have uploaded some presets for the Starship for Mobiflight (the free alternative). Pretty much just copying what it says in the manual.
                    Be sure to remove any existing ingame binding for alt select when flying the Starship. Super easy in 2024 where you can just create a clean controller profile assigned to the Starship and it will swap to that one every time you fly it.

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                      Dingle
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                      @Avionic Do you know if you can bind the axes in Mobiflight as well? I only managed buttons so far. That would be super helpful.

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                      • D Dingle

                        @Avionic Do you know if you can bind the axes in Mobiflight as well? I only managed buttons so far. That would be super helpful.

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                        Avionic
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                        @Dingle You can also bind axis in Mobiflight, but it can be quite fiddly if you are not used to playing with that sort of thing.
                        You can always just use a combination of ingame binding for the basic axis you don't need to change for every plane anyways and Mobiflight more plane specific things.

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                          @Dingle You can also bind axis in Mobiflight, but it can be quite fiddly if you are not used to playing with that sort of thing.
                          You can always just use a combination of ingame binding for the basic axis you don't need to change for every plane anyways and Mobiflight more plane specific things.

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                          Dingle
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                          @Avionic I would be happy to fiddle to have it all in one place. Do you have a place to start fiddling? I only saw a binding for throttle that works in MSFS 2024, so there must be another way to to it 🙂

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                            @Avionic I would be happy to fiddle to have it all in one place. Do you have a place to start fiddling? I only saw a binding for throttle that works in MSFS 2024, so there must be another way to to it 🙂

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                            #35

                            @Dingle Need to figure out how many bits or resolution the specific sensor on your axis is.
                            Mobiflight has no built in calibration - and everything is RPN which can be confusing if you have never heard about that.
                            Thankfully, there is now a tool to help you and Mobiflight can show you the raw value of your axis if you don't already know it
                            https://hubhop.mobiflight.com/tools/
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                            Add a 1 and a 2 and voila you have your axis in Mobiflight now.

                            @ 4.0002 / 0 max 16383 min (>K:THROTTLE1_SET)
                            @ 4.0002 / 0 max 16383 min (>K:THROTTLE2_SET)
                            

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                            For my VKB STECS it is a 16 bit axis, which means it goes from 0 to 65535.

                            Hope it helps.

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                              #36

                              @Avionic Yes, it really does help big time.
                              So MSFS uses 14Bit for inputs in general? -> Okay, found that, with the tool you mentioned its obvious it is not in general the case!
                              Thanks a lot!

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                                @Avionic Yes, it really does help big time.
                                So MSFS uses 14Bit for inputs in general? -> Okay, found that, with the tool you mentioned its obvious it is not in general the case!
                                Thanks a lot!

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                                #37

                                @Dingle Quite often but not always. Some of the so called "-100 to 100 axis" are from -16383 to 16383 though.
                                Also notice that a lot of Nicks custom axis are from 0-100.

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                                  @Avionic Awesome! I cannot thank you enough. I will have a happy coding session tonight 🙂
                                  Would never have had figured that out!

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