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Trim speed painfully slow

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    bl52002
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    @petze I've found a third party software called authentikit tuning app has a preset for the honeycomb bravo trim wheel that fixes this issue completely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx6KJ0dEtus It works by turning the trim wheel into an axes. Then you can set the rate but the preset is very good.

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      @petze I've found a third party software called authentikit tuning app has a preset for the honeycomb bravo trim wheel that fixes this issue completely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx6KJ0dEtus It works by turning the trim wheel into an axes. Then you can set the rate but the preset is very good.

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      jmarkows
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      @bl52002 Be very careful when using a trim axis if you are not used to using one (as such).

      It will now have memory between flights, and even using the autopilot for a bit will cause a (potentially large) discontinuity between where your physical axis is and where the virtual axis is.

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        Sirius867
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        Hi and sorry that I'm rather late joining this thread. I would concur with others here that the trim for the Warrior is very slow to activate.
        I use a Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X controller and have the POV button programmed for UP and Down trim and it does take a lot of presses (or holds for up/down) to get a response.

        I think that the Warrior is my main 'go to' aircraft and I really enjoy flying it - the ground handling, take-off and general flying are all good experiences with the exception of the trim.

        Whilst I'm commenting, there is something else that has become a bit of a pain over the last six months and that is the nose of the aircraft seems to 'peck' up and down on a final approach. If I'm in cockpit view and sit back a little, I can see the yokes bobbing up and down slightly - even if I try to remain 'hands off' my own control stick for periods.
        Not sure this was always the case?

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          kjb4077
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          My trim is also extremely slow on the thrustmaster warthog also.

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            Daveo
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            I can confirm this also using a CH Eclipse Yoke using the trim wheel and also the same issue with the rudder trim.

            Tried deleting the button settings in MSFS and mapping them thru FSUIPC7 and still the same thing.

            Dave Opper
            HiFi Support

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              johnsonm22
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              It’s a plus 1 for me on the extremely slow elevator trim. I am using the saitek yoke system, which has not been mentioned above. The timings for a full cycle of trim from neutral are in the realms of minutes as stated above. I’m going with unflyable

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                CGNoorloos
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                Painfully slow here too. X55

                There should be 2 speeds, depending on flap state iirc but seems to go very slow.

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                  mogTatchi
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                  The trim wheel is insanely slow for me as well. It's better in the Arrows. But the warrior takes minutes to trim. It's frankly unusable and I have to resort to using the mouse to move the wheel, which is an awful way to fly this plane.

                  This has nothing to do with hardware! I'm using the Alpha Yoke and the Warthog Throttle, but it's just as slow using keyboard num1 and num7. This really needs to get fixed.

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                    seanduffy
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                    Yeah I'm also experiencing this problem, it's only on this aircraft. Needs fixing as its unusable currently.

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                      Yeah I'm also experiencing this problem, it's only on this aircraft. Needs fixing as its unusable currently.

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                      CGNoorloos
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                      @seanduffy Did one flight with the 146 yesterday. There was a small update to the sim and not sure if it was lucky but the trim worked fast when i set it on the ground, didn't check too much while in the air, but it felt normal/good.

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                        gdrag
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                        Even doing simple patterns is problematic with the trim as it is right now! Completely kills my enjoyment.

                        I have to use the mouse to recover from slow flight in the warrior because trimming is way too slow for me too (minute+) with either the Bravo trim wheel or the electric trim button. Of course that completely messes up your view and destabilizes the airplane.

                        I hope something can be done that lets everyone play nice.

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                          Martyn
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                          Hi all. We're currently working on the next round of PA28 updates and will look into this.

                          Martyn - Development Manager

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                            Re: Trim speed when using Alpha yoke or Brave throttle painfully slow

                            The last update has reduced the trim speed to a level
                            that makes flying the JF warrior/arrows pretty much impossible. I'm using the Honeycomb alpha yoke and the bravo throttle. It's hard for me to even find the words to describe how slow the trim is on my alpha or the bravo.

                            For example, I usually need 25ish % of nose up trim on final. Holding down the (electronic) trim button on the alpha, it takes 40 seconds to get there (and also to cancel the trim out on touchs and goes). By that time I'm already on downwind. Even for slight power adjustments I need to hold down the trim switches 5 - 10 seconds, which is way too long. I don't even know how many revolutions that would take on the bravo trim wheel as the physical trim wheel moves the virtual trim wheel even slower.

                            And yes, I know about the rectangular white button under the pilot's yoke for the arrows. That button is activated.

                            I don't understand why there aren't more people complaining about this issue, as I guess it's the same for everybody else using the Honeycomb hardware. And I imagine it not being hardware related. In fact, even the default keyboard shortcut keys move the trim wheel at the same speed. This has to be an issue, right?

                            Yes, before the latest update the trim was a little too sensitive. But not by much. Right now, the plane is pretty much impossible to fly. Having spend more than 70€ on the whole PA28 line, I feel kind of cheated.

                            In the post linked above, @Delta558 suggested to alter the flight_model.cfg file. That worked to some degree before, but the current value of the elevator_trim_effectiveness is at 1.0. I tried setting this value to something like 5.0 but that did not speed up the trim. It looks like values above 1.0 don't work at all, as the trim wheel is then stuck and doesn't move at all (even with the mouse).

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                            Martyn
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                            @petze Replacing the existing WASM gauge with this version should get the trim speed working correctly again whilst we finish work on the rest of the update: Download Here

                            The WASM gauge is located in \justflight-aircraft-pa28-warrior-ii\SimObjects\Airplanes\JF_PA28_Warrior_II\panel\

                            Martyn - Development Manager

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                              @petze Replacing the existing WASM gauge with this version should get the trim speed working correctly again whilst we finish work on the rest of the update: Download Here

                              The WASM gauge is located in \justflight-aircraft-pa28-warrior-ii\SimObjects\Airplanes\JF_PA28_Warrior_II\panel\

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                              NickD27
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                              @martyn that link has reached its download limit. Can you please post a new one?

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                                @martyn that link has reached its download limit. Can you please post a new one?

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                                Martyn
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                                @nickd27 Try this: https://justflight.sharefile.com/d-s9b586ff726d7439f8659a8919ba706a8

                                Martyn - Development Manager

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                                  @nickd27 Try this: https://justflight.sharefile.com/d-s9b586ff726d7439f8659a8919ba706a8

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                                  @martyn Thanks!

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                                    @nickd27 Try this: https://justflight.sharefile.com/d-s9b586ff726d7439f8659a8919ba706a8

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                                    d_isle
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                                    @martyn Hey, any chance to get an updated link for this? Thanks!

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                                      @martyn Hey, any chance to get an updated link for this? Thanks!

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                                      Martyn
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                                      @d_isle That issue is now fixed in the latest version of the product available from your Just Flight account: https://community.justflight.com/topic/2476/update-change-logs-v0-3-5-released-edited-30-6-22

                                      Martyn - Development Manager

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