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Brake pedal movement missing

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  • N N293WK

    I also noticed some other things (also reported already):

    • Only the left toe brake makes sound
    • When the left toe brake is held around halfway down, it sounds like it's actually being pressed and released repeatedly (constantly repeating the squeak sound rather than only making the sound when the pedals move)
    • Sometimes, the sound of the toe brake continues even after the brake is released. This can be stopped by bumping the brake a little bit

    It would be helpful to know if anyone else has these issues, because I'm still not sure if its an issue with my bindings. I also can't figure out what set of conditions causes the third point, it just seems random.

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    RetiredMan93231
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    @vcapra1 said in Brake pedal movement missing:

    I also can't figure out what set of conditions causes the third point, it just seems random.

    It sounds like this might be a hardware problem with your toe brakes... check them in the CONTROLS / Sensitivity screen to see if they are steady, or jumping around...

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    • N N293WK

      I also noticed some other things (also reported already):

      • Only the left toe brake makes sound
      • When the left toe brake is held around halfway down, it sounds like it's actually being pressed and released repeatedly (constantly repeating the squeak sound rather than only making the sound when the pedals move)
      • Sometimes, the sound of the toe brake continues even after the brake is released. This can be stopped by bumping the brake a little bit

      It would be helpful to know if anyone else has these issues, because I'm still not sure if its an issue with my bindings. I also can't figure out what set of conditions causes the third point, it just seems random.

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      Cristi Neagu
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      @vcapra1 I can confirm your third point. Nothing special with my setup, just Saitek pedals mapped into FS, no other software in the middle. I haven't noticed the other 2 things happening, but that's most likely cause i haven't been paying attention.

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      • RetiredMan93231R RetiredMan93231

        @vcapra1 said in Brake pedal movement missing:

        I also can't figure out what set of conditions causes the third point, it just seems random.

        It sounds like this might be a hardware problem with your toe brakes... check them in the CONTROLS / Sensitivity screen to see if they are steady, or jumping around...

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        N293WK
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        @RetiredMan93231 In those settings and in Windows device properties the controls are showing as zero input. Even with large deadzones, the problem still occurs.

        Originally I thought maybe it was a conflict between two devices but I've since reproduced the issue with no other input devices (besides keyboard&mouse) connected so it's not that.

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          @RetiredMan93231 In those settings and in Windows device properties the controls are showing as zero input. Even with large deadzones, the problem still occurs.

          Originally I thought maybe it was a conflict between two devices but I've since reproduced the issue with no other input devices (besides keyboard&mouse) connected so it's not that.

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          RetiredMan93231
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          @vcapra1 , I haven't noticed any issues with the brakes sticking... Is it just the sound that continues, or do the brakes actually stick? I suppose it could be something wrong in the aircraft code, especially if it's just the sound...?

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            @vcapra1 , I haven't noticed any issues with the brakes sticking... Is it just the sound that continues, or do the brakes actually stick? I suppose it could be something wrong in the aircraft code, especially if it's just the sound...?

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            N293WK
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            @RetiredMan93231 I just tested it and it doesn't seem to be applying the brake, only making the sound. I got it to the point where the sound was happening without me pressing the brake and gave it some throttle, and it went more or less straight ahead

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              weptburrito
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              Not just you, been like that since release.

              I’ve even had the brake sound with the parking brake engaged. It’s very very random and goes away with bumping the brakes a bit.

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                allucche
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                @vcapra1 said in Brake pedal movement missing:

                hel

                i have thrustmaster pedal and he animation of toe brake not work.

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                  @vcapra1 said in Brake pedal movement missing:

                  hel

                  i have thrustmaster pedal and he animation of toe brake not work.

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                  N293WK
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                  @allucche The lack of animation isn't a but, it's just something that hasn't been implemented yet. They may add it at some point, but arguably the sound issues are more annoying than the brakes not moving (esp. since you can't see the brakes most of the time)

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                  • RetiredMan93231R RetiredMan93231

                    @vcapra1 said in Brake pedal movement missing:

                    I also can't figure out what set of conditions causes the third point, it just seems random.

                    It sounds like this might be a hardware problem with your toe brakes... check them in the CONTROLS / Sensitivity screen to see if they are steady, or jumping around...

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                    sluflyer06
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                    @RetiredMan93231 said in Brake pedal movement missing:

                    @vcapra1 said in Brake pedal movement missing:

                    I also can't figure out what set of conditions causes the third point, it just seems random.

                    It sounds like this might be a hardware problem with your toe brakes... check them in the CONTROLS / Sensitivity screen to see if they are steady, or jumping around...

                    It's not, ive also had the same issue since release of the repeating brake squeak sound. All my controls are hall sensors and ive verified by looking at the raw sensor output that it's noise free, apply and release brakes will stop it, it's a bug.

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                      weptburrito
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                      I messed around with some settings on this.

                      Went to take a look at the sound.xml and found that there is no code for the right brake. Copied what was there for the left and changed the appropriate names from left to right. Got sound for right brake. There's basically two lines for the brake, one to press and one to release.

                      Then just to see what would happen I used the code from the 172. That was the plane I jumped in to see if was the arrow or not. It was fine there. (Arrow came out just after WU3 if I remembering right? Plus I got rudder pedals right around then too so lots of new things to point fingers at lol) Anyway, it mostly removed the continuous sound. I have no idea if there are other settings somewhere to reduce the sensitivity of travel travel before the sound triggers.

                      In the sound.xml file, change it out for...

                      <Sound WwiseData="true" WwiseEvent="toe_brake_press"  FadeOutType="2" FadeOutTime="0.5" ViewPoint="Inside" NodeName="Pilot_R_pedal_arm" ContinuousStopDelay="0.3" SimVar="BRAKE LEFT POSITION EX1" Units="PERCENT" Index="0">
                        <WwiseRTPC SimVar="BRAKE LEFT POSITION EX1" Units="PERCENT" Index="0" Derived="true" RTPCName="SIMVAR_BRAKE_LEFT_POSITION_EX1_DERIVED" />   
                      </Sound>  
                      
                      <Sound WwiseData="true" WwiseEvent="toe_brake_press"  FadeOutType="2" FadeOutTime="0.5" ViewPoint="Inside" NodeName="Pilot_R_pedal_arm" ContinuousStopDelay="0.3" SimVar="BRAKE RIGHT POSITION EX1" Units="PERCENT" Index="0">
                        <WwiseRTPC SimVar="BRAKE RIGHT POSITION EX1" Units="PERCENT" Index="0" Derived="true" RTPCName="SIMVAR_BRAKE_RIGHT_POSITION_EX1_DERIVED" />   
                      </Sound>
                      
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                      • W weptburrito

                        I messed around with some settings on this.

                        Went to take a look at the sound.xml and found that there is no code for the right brake. Copied what was there for the left and changed the appropriate names from left to right. Got sound for right brake. There's basically two lines for the brake, one to press and one to release.

                        Then just to see what would happen I used the code from the 172. That was the plane I jumped in to see if was the arrow or not. It was fine there. (Arrow came out just after WU3 if I remembering right? Plus I got rudder pedals right around then too so lots of new things to point fingers at lol) Anyway, it mostly removed the continuous sound. I have no idea if there are other settings somewhere to reduce the sensitivity of travel travel before the sound triggers.

                        In the sound.xml file, change it out for...

                        <Sound WwiseData="true" WwiseEvent="toe_brake_press"  FadeOutType="2" FadeOutTime="0.5" ViewPoint="Inside" NodeName="Pilot_R_pedal_arm" ContinuousStopDelay="0.3" SimVar="BRAKE LEFT POSITION EX1" Units="PERCENT" Index="0">
                          <WwiseRTPC SimVar="BRAKE LEFT POSITION EX1" Units="PERCENT" Index="0" Derived="true" RTPCName="SIMVAR_BRAKE_LEFT_POSITION_EX1_DERIVED" />   
                        </Sound>  
                        
                        <Sound WwiseData="true" WwiseEvent="toe_brake_press"  FadeOutType="2" FadeOutTime="0.5" ViewPoint="Inside" NodeName="Pilot_R_pedal_arm" ContinuousStopDelay="0.3" SimVar="BRAKE RIGHT POSITION EX1" Units="PERCENT" Index="0">
                          <WwiseRTPC SimVar="BRAKE RIGHT POSITION EX1" Units="PERCENT" Index="0" Derived="true" RTPCName="SIMVAR_BRAKE_RIGHT_POSITION_EX1_DERIVED" />   
                        </Sound>
                        
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                        N293WK
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                        @weptburrito Thanks for looking into this! This does give me sound on the right brake, and so far I haven't heard the brake "stick" like it used to.

                        It's still a bit strange, since if I hold the brake halfway down, it sounds like the brake is being repeatedly pressed and released fully, but your modifications fix 2/3 of the problems I was having! I suspect the last one needs changes on a lower level

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