LOC/ILS updated files test



  • Hi @Craig ,

    flew in the 146-100. It managed to capture the LOC at default P3D airport with no active sky. It did take till 1300ft till it was laterally on point as it kept making adjustments, albeit not wildly, to get on center. It captured 15 nm out. so it had plenty of time to align as I was shooting straight onto to the LOC.

    G/S also captured nicely. DME reader not working now.

    Hope the screenshots help.

    loc-1-test.jpg

    loc-2-test.jpg



  • at about 300ft it slips under the glide scope quite dramatically and makes constant warnings "glideslope". happens fairly rapidly. What height is the autopilot intended to fly before disconnect and should it not stay on G/S till above the runway regardless?

    The flight was literally load up and fly off the runway, no real calculations done but just to help test to the ILS system.

    loc-3-test.jpg



  • Just to add to the analysis by @PVJ, I've carried out some similar tests on P3D v4.5 and without Active Sky running.
    All very rough and ready but some interesting results:

    Default KLAX
    Captured LOC and G/S for runway 07 as expected and flew a largely stable approach.
    2020-12-10_15-48-18-888.jpg

    ORBX EGNT
    Multiple approaches to runway 07 and 25; using a 30 degree intercept heading, there's an initial turn towards LOC as the needle starts to move, but then turn away to a heading of 360 rather than intercepting the LOC (this happened for both 07 and 25 and does not correlate with the approach direction, course nor HDG bug).
    2020-12-10_15-14-1-676.jpg

    TAXI2GATE LFPG
    Multiple approaches to 09L; as above, initial turn towards LOC but then turn to 360 rather than intercepting.
    Note this occurs irrelevant of whether you've intercepted the G/S or not.
    2020-12-10_15-25-38-28.jpg

    Hope this helps.

    Cheers,

    Geordie


  • JF Staff

    Thanks guys, this will give us something to work with and we should have a solution soon.



  • I can't pull up the window shown on the screenshots above - Tried my luck tonight with the V1.5.

    Unfortunately still no joy. Climbed out of EBLG, intercepting a VOR, the little diamond on the HSI was flattering around on the ground, and then when airborne pointed towards BUB VOR.

    When arriving into EGNT (ILS07), the diamond was pointing again straight at 000 and the FD wanted to go exactly there instead of following the LOC.

    Like with V1.4, the workaround with NAV 2 doesn't work at all. And without the workaround, it's now only usable in VMC conditions. Have to say, it's disappointing since now the second built where NAV 2 stopped working as ILS Backup.

    Steve
    Ticket 46617



  • After three test flights, the reproducible result on my end:

    • V/L + GS capture works on any airport (also addons) IF the HSI Selector never has been changed to RNAV.

    I was able to perform multiple approaches, it intercepted the V/L every time perfectly - IF I navigated only with the HDG bug. UNTIL I switched the selector to RNAV and used L NAV. If I switch back to NAV before the intercept, it chases the diamond at 000.

    Anyone else able to reproduce this?



  • Unfortunately, after a first flight with successful LOC intercept at the the second flight it failed again. This time at EBBR 25L. I see the LOC needle coming it, I even hear the Pilot voice "localizer captured". But aircraft does not turn at all, it continues straight and level and overflies the LOC again ....

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zv95wyjf1s96ep/ebbr_25L.jpg?dl=0

    You can also check the aircraft position on the chart



  • @Mikealpha said in LOC/ILS updated files test:

    Unfortunately, after a first flight with successful LOC intercept the second flight failed again. This time at EBBR 25L. I see the LOC needle coming it, I even hear the Pilot voice "localizer captured". But aircraft does not turn at all, it continues straight and level and overflies the LOC again ....

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zv95wyjf1s96ep/ebbr_25L.jpg?dl=0

    Hi
    I assume you used the FMC/RNAV for the second flight? Did you used it also on the first flight with the successful intercept?



  • @ConcordeAG said in LOC/ILS updated files test:

    @Mikealpha said in LOC/ILS updated files test:

    Unfortunately, after a first flight with successful LOC intercept the second flight failed again. This time at EBBR 25L. I see the LOC needle coming it, I even hear the Pilot voice "localizer captured". But aircraft does not turn at all, it continues straight and level and overflies the LOC again ....

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zv95wyjf1s96ep/ebbr_25L.jpg?dl=0

    Hi
    I assume you used the FMC/RNAV for the second flight? Did you used it also on the first flight with the successful intercept?

    Yes, I always use FMC/RNAV , so on both flights. I switch from RNAV to NAV usually around 5NM before LOC intercept.
    So that makes no difference on my end. Also in my case it does not chase anything, It just does ... nothing.

    Weird to say the least.



  • @Martyn,

    I have the problem at EBBR reproducible.
    Not sure if that might be useful, do you have MS Teams or Teamviewer ? I could prepare a flight, and you can have a look directly at my screen, or take control anytime if necessary.

    Mike


  • JF Staff

    Hi guys,

    Can you check what happens with this version of the DLL gauge (which goes into the 146-100 panel folder)?

    http://tiny.cc/qdq6tz

    Thanks
    Martyn



  • @Martyn After a very quick test, seems to work now.
    I'll do a real test later today.
    Steve



  • Arrived in LGG, ILS worked fine. Just had issues to intercept L/NAV after departure. Was unable to capture the LNAV, had to turn off the FMC inflight and reprogram it to get it working.


  • JF Staff

    Thanks for confirming and all the info which (hopefully) helped track down and fix this.



  • @Martyn,

    still no luck for me at EBBR 25L. Copilot voice "localizer captured", but no turn to localizer. Just to make sure, I'll repeat that flight once more and record a video.

    EDIT : Second try worked. Not sure what was really different this time, maybe I activated V/L a bit earlier. To ensure I'll do a third flight tomorrow.
    Glideslope was a bit rough, it got more than 1 dot below, needed almost level flight to correct. Seems to react a bit slow on speed changes. A bit scary, but anyway, not the subject of the test flight 🙂

    EDIT again : Also third flight went flawless. So it seems problem is solved !

    Mike



  • @Martyn had good results from one flight so far with the DLL gauge file for the 146-100.

    Landed into EKCH and it tracked the LOC and G/S well.

    Only small issue is the trim seems well out of its norm, at least for takeoff as the trim is far out of the green band for take off to ensure it doesn't nose dive. On approach the trim seems also quite interesting in where it is but I am not a 146 expert.



  • @Martyn

    2nd 3rd flight test with the fix for LOC/GS.

    Everything works fine except if you toggle the Nav switch, then the aircraft will capture the LOC but turn away from the runway. To fix this I had to manually set the heading and re-engage the LOC and G/S.

    Other things that I took note of:

    1. selecting Runway no issue. Selecting a STAR I cannot select anything past option number 2, just not possible, this was at ESGG but I have had similar issues at other aiports.
    2. Mid-flight selected a STAR for ESSA 26 and the FMS made the plane fly back to a waypoint it already passed 2 waypoints ago. Had to use DTO to get it back on the Waypoint it was flying to.
    3. FMS performance page has text overlapping. Missing ETAs as well.
    4. LOC capture and turned onto runway 26 at ESSA via ELTO3V arrival, the G/S announcement "Glideslope captured" could be heard and was captured but suddenly deactivated after a few seconds, had to press the G/S button again to re-engage.
    5. There is deviation (left and right overshoots) and corrections going on when it has to turn onto the LOC vs straight in approach but nothing that makes the landing unstable in the end. Below 2000ft I was pretty much perfectly aligned.

    Other things (improvements & suggestions):

    1. An odd one but the quick menu to turn the aircraft to flight ready to cold and dark, I accidently clicked it midflight and turned the whole aircraft off. Could you change that so it doesn't work midflight? admittedly I have clicked it by accident a number of times thinking its a GPU, could there be a confirmation pop up to say "do you wish to set state to cold & dark" or something similar?
    2. Trim setting as mentioned still seems odd for take off (out of the green band) and approach.
    3. Would be great to use KG with the FMS
    4. Could the Fuel config not apply the values into the FMS automatically as well when applying to Sim?
    5. Announcement timings. I had to use the parking brake on arrival to hold short for another aircraft, the announcement to unfasten your seatbelt etc came on. Perhaps this can be linked to fuel switches off? Timing with the other ones as well.
    6. GSX fuel truck and passenger loads linked to the fuel config for the 146 (this is just a suggestion as I have seen this done on Aerosofts a320 series). Perhaps auto opening and closing of the doors as well.
    7. Visual indictor for the door control panel, to see if a door is open or closed would be helpful.
    8. Quick assignment of the N1 and TGT settings based on engine 1 or 4 to all 4 engines. Helps save time as scrolling can be quite slow.

    appreciate you guys doing great with the communication and hard work during the holiday period!

    many thanks.
    Philip



  • Tonight I tried out the vs.1.05 for the first time. Whilst I knew there is a patch around for the ILS, I first wanted to try this version out without the patch. It didn't catch the ILS for RWY 18C at EHAM. Luckily the ATC on Vatsim was willing to help me. Tomorrow I will do the same flight, this time as a group flight (LOWI-EHAM) and see if the patch works.



  • @Martyn I will try it out tomorrow evening (19:00 UTC).


  • JF Staff

    @Elientje said in LOC/ILS updated files test:

    Tonight I tried out the vs.1.05 for the first time. Whilst I knew there is a patch around for the ILS, I first wanted to try this version out without the patch. It didn't catch the ILS for RWY 18C at EHAM. Luckily the ATC on Vatsim was willing to help me. Tomorrow I will do the same flight, this time as a group flight (LOWI-EHAM) and see if the patch works.

    There have been changes since v1.5 and the current test gauge is - http://tiny.cc/qdq6tz