Aspen Evolution PFD on BS aircrafs installed by me. (Implementation test)
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I would absolutely love to see this in the sim, @Black-Square if you are considering working with OP to implement this, it would be fantastic if it also removed the ADF and RNAV, allowing us to have a cleanly modernized P-Baron
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@Black-Square Yes, it is designed to be hot-swappable and I also will be providing xml templates that can be written in the aircraft interior xml for aircraft specific data like vspeeds, configuration, and other things, including air data in case you use custom variables instead of the standard simvars.
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@jerrivel To add my two cents, I think what you've done is absolutely magnificent, and I would love to provide this option to my users. To everyone else reading, I'm sure you've seen over the years what a huge chasm can exist between the work to publish a freeware mod and providing official support.
@McOatmeal Regarding the G1000, for example, what might seem like simply adding a couple screens to the cockpit would take several weeks of modeling, materials, AO baking, LOD exports, coding, electrical changes, tablet changes, moving circuit breakers around, restructuring the entire aircraft (because the G1000 does not support hot-swapping, and I'm not even sure the G1000 could support some of the features I've built into my aircraft. To fully work with my aircraft, the avionics must be configurable to display arbitrary variables, as I've overwritten nearly every aircraft parameter MSFS has to offer. Particularly, think about the engine parameters. At several weeks per aircraft, I estimate this could total 3-4 months of work for all the applicable aircraft. Trust me, I have considered it, and the needle is getting closer to adding glass panel options to my aircraft every day, but the work is very non-trivial. There is a reason glass panel retrofits of real world aircraft can exceed the cost of the entire airframe.
@jerrivel The Evolution PFD, on the other hand, would be much easier to add, assuming some of these variables could be supported (not many are necessary, I think), and it if could be made hot-swappable. With those features, then I feel this is certainly possible to include with the base package.
@Black-Square said in Aspen Evolution PFD on BS aircrafs installed by me. (Implementation test):
@jerrivel To add my two cents, I think what you've done is absolutely magnificent, and I would love to provide this option to my users. To everyone else reading, I'm sure you've seen over the years what a huge chasm can exist between the work to publish a freeware mod and providing official support.
@McOatmeal Regarding the G1000, for example, what might seem like simply adding a couple screens to the cockpit would take several weeks of modeling, materials, AO baking, LOD exports, coding, electrical changes, tablet changes, moving circuit breakers around, restructuring the entire aircraft (because the G1000 does not support hot-swapping, and I'm not even sure the G1000 could support some of the features I've built into my aircraft. To fully work with my aircraft, the avionics must be configurable to display arbitrary variables, as I've overwritten nearly every aircraft parameter MSFS has to offer. Particularly, think about the engine parameters. At several weeks per aircraft, I estimate this could total 3-4 months of work for all the applicable aircraft. Trust me, I have considered it, and the needle is getting closer to adding glass panel options to my aircraft every day, but the work is very non-trivial. There is a reason glass panel retrofits of real world aircraft can exceed the cost of the entire airframe.
@jerrivel The Evolution PFD, on the other hand, would be much easier to add, assuming some of these variables could be supported (not many are necessary, I think), and it if could be made hot-swappable. With those features, then I feel this is certainly possible to include with the base package.
I don't know, if I had a 500k A36 I could see myself having the money to put in a g3x which including the install from start to finish will run you around 50-60k
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Unless you're putting full G1000 or something in a super old, run down, trashed C150, cost of airframe will always be higher than the avionics upgrade.
@SliderCDN I don't want to turn this into a real world aviation economics conversation, but I have routinely seen those (much luckier than I) spend $150k on a panel redesign for an airframe otherwise worth $150k. A complete panel redesign for a G1000 Nxi and autopilot in a 70's or 60's era piston twin can be expected to cost $100-150k including parts, fabrication, and labor. Many such aircraft are worth a similar amount or less (including their currently installed avionics) due to rising maintenance and insurance costs. For instance, the average cost of an Aztec with conventional avionics on Trade-a-Plane right now is $120k, and $160k for a C310. Of course, more modern airframes will be different, but it certainly doesn't have to be a trashed C150.
My apologies. I know this has relatively little to do with the workload of adding new avionics to my aircraft, except the number of systems and 3D models that must change), but I had to speak to what I've seen in the real world.
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@SliderCDN I don't want to turn this into a real world aviation economics conversation, but I have routinely seen those (much luckier than I) spend $150k on a panel redesign for an airframe otherwise worth $150k. A complete panel redesign for a G1000 Nxi and autopilot in a 70's or 60's era piston twin can be expected to cost $100-150k including parts, fabrication, and labor. Many such aircraft are worth a similar amount or less (including their currently installed avionics) due to rising maintenance and insurance costs. For instance, the average cost of an Aztec with conventional avionics on Trade-a-Plane right now is $120k, and $160k for a C310. Of course, more modern airframes will be different, but it certainly doesn't have to be a trashed C150.
My apologies. I know this has relatively little to do with the workload of adding new avionics to my aircraft, except the number of systems and 3D models that must change), but I had to speak to what I've seen in the real world.
@Black-Square said in Aspen Evolution PFD on BS aircrafs installed by me. (Implementation test):
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The range of numbers is huge. Also heavily depends on part of the world. US is cheapest in that regard.
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@SliderCDN I don't want to turn this into a real world aviation economics conversation, but I have routinely seen those (much luckier than I) spend $150k on a panel redesign for an airframe otherwise worth $150k. A complete panel redesign for a G1000 Nxi and autopilot in a 70's or 60's era piston twin can be expected to cost $100-150k including parts, fabrication, and labor. Many such aircraft are worth a similar amount or less (including their currently installed avionics) due to rising maintenance and insurance costs. For instance, the average cost of an Aztec with conventional avionics on Trade-a-Plane right now is $120k, and $160k for a C310. Of course, more modern airframes will be different, but it certainly doesn't have to be a trashed C150.
My apologies. I know this has relatively little to do with the workload of adding new avionics to my aircraft, except the number of systems and 3D models that must change), but I had to speak to what I've seen in the real world.
@Black-Square said in Aspen Evolution PFD on BS aircrafs installed by me. (Implementation test):
@SliderCDN I don't want to turn this into a real world aviation economics conversation, but I have routinely seen those (much luckier than I) spend $150k on a panel redesign for an airframe otherwise worth $150k. A complete panel redesign for a G1000 Nxi and autopilot in a 70's or 60's era piston twin can be expected to cost $100-150k including parts, fabrication, and labor. Many such aircraft are worth a similar amount or less (including their currently installed avionics) due to rising maintenance and insurance costs. For instance, the average cost of an Aztec with conventional avionics on Trade-a-Plane right now is $120k, and $160k for a C310. Of course, more modern airframes will be different, but it certainly doesn't have to be a trashed C150.
My apologies. I know this has relatively little to do with the workload of adding new avionics to my aircraft, except the number of systems and 3D models that must change), but I had to speak to what I've seen in the real world.
Oh absolutely in a twin but I question those that are going out and buying a piston twin these days. Beech just ended the Baron line (they said they will offer support but for how long), Cessna doesnt have a twin, Piper has the little Seneca and I think that's about it. There just is not a lot of support for them anymore. When I started line service in 2006 you'd see 414's and 310's and Barons and everything in between. Nowadays if a Navajo shows up its like "holy shit, check out this relic"
