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Performance Issues with Starship – Sporadic FPS Drops

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  • MD82M Offline
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    I believe C-State Control needs to be enabled?

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      jmarkows
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      The BIOS pic has me wondering: the people with FPS issues, could there be thermal throttling at play? My newest build has a 14th gen i9, and for those who follow tech is the Intel cpu that was famously self-destructing on launch. I came in late, but had some issues with stability that were resulting in my CPU asking for (and getting!) upwards of 500A.

      I have since become keenly aware of CPU voltages and temperatures lol, but with some BIOS configuration it's been drastically reduced.

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      • R rafgath

        @Black-Square Sure, as soon as it happens again, I'll check it like you asked.

        One question. You listed FCS No. 1 twice. What should the second one be instead of FCS No. 1

        And below is a screenshot from my BIOS.

        IMG_4391.JPEG

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        @rafgath Sorry, FMS No. 1.

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        • Black SquareB Black Square

          @rafgath Sorry, FMS No. 1.

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          #18

          @Black-Square Another flight and another FPS drop (maybe because it's exactly the same flight every time). Please see the video link below. Luckily, I didn't have to click too many circuit breakers, as everything returned to normal after turning ND No. 1 off and back on.

          https://youtu.be/4aDTWlVdmPM

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            #19

            Very interesting! That's admitted a little strange, since ND 2 runs the exact same code... This might take a little more experimentation. I will look through things later and see what I can come up with, but on your next flight, try configuring ND 2 to show exactly the same as what ND 1 is showing, and see if the problem is exhibited by both units. Thank you for the help!

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              Wael
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              #20

              I’m having a very similar issue.

              After about an hour of flying, I get a major FPS drop — from 160 down to around 40 — and GPU usage drops to 0%–30%.
              When I press ESC and pause the flight, GPU usage returns to normal, but as soon as I resume, the performance drops again.
              Everything runs perfectly at the start of the flight — this only happens mid-flight.

              Specs:
              • CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D
              • GPU: RTX 5080

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              • Black SquareB Black Square

                Very interesting! That's admitted a little strange, since ND 2 runs the exact same code... This might take a little more experimentation. I will look through things later and see what I can come up with, but on your next flight, try configuring ND 2 to show exactly the same as what ND 1 is showing, and see if the problem is exhibited by both units. Thank you for the help!

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                #21

                @Black-Square Okay, I'm uploading another video showing the FPS drop. As you can see, only disabling ND No. 1 helped. Turning it back on doesn’t cause the drop either. But if we look at all three videos I uploaded, they’re all from the same route, and the issue generally always occurs around the same point — just before reaching the ROGAL point. Maybe it’s a coincidence, maybe not.

                https://youtu.be/mEYfGcpgg50

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                  Thanks for showing exactly what I have been asking to see! I finally have a chance to spend some time on this later tonight. I will let you know what I find. At least you can continue your flight to landing after pulling one circuit breaker. I know that's far from ideal, but I'm glad there is some solution that at least gives you the satisfaction of a smooth landing while I work on the problem.

                  Did you try the BIOS change suggested above? Specifically enabling C-State Control? It would be interesting to see if that could change the outcome, now that we've collected some data.

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                  • Black SquareB Black Square

                    Thanks for showing exactly what I have been asking to see! I finally have a chance to spend some time on this later tonight. I will let you know what I find. At least you can continue your flight to landing after pulling one circuit breaker. I know that's far from ideal, but I'm glad there is some solution that at least gives you the satisfaction of a smooth landing while I work on the problem.

                    Did you try the BIOS change suggested above? Specifically enabling C-State Control? It would be interesting to see if that could change the outcome, now that we've collected some data.

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                    #23

                    @Black-Square Yes, I enabled C-State Control, but it's still the same. At least I can continue the flight by turning the circuit breaker off and on 🙂 . Thanks for looking into the issue.

                    edit: I discovered something new — even if I turn off ND No. 1 and turn it back on, the FPS starts dropping again after a few dozen seconds. So I have to turn off the breaker again, but once I turn it back on, the FPS drops again after several dozen seconds. Unfortunately, I don’t have a recording of it because something went wrong and it didn’t record. 😞

                    I also discovered that the FPS starts dropping for the first time between 55 -60 minutes of flight.

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                      For me, enabling C-State was like Gandalf tapping my PC with his cane. AB SO LUTE night and day. Thank you for this suggestion. I was going crazy with the cruise stutters with all hardware loads under 70%. ❤

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                        I have no idea if this is related as I have a 5800x 3d without C State but on tonight's flight on landing, the fps dropped to 10fps and this has never happened before. It could just be the sim, the servers etc but thought I would add here as it was in the Starship.

                        Ryzen 5800X3D, 64GB RAM, RTX 4090, Windows 11

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                        • toby23T toby23

                          I have no idea if this is related as I have a 5800x 3d without C State but on tonight's flight on landing, the fps dropped to 10fps and this has never happened before. It could just be the sim, the servers etc but thought I would add here as it was in the Starship.

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                          @toby23 If it was maybe 10-20ft off the ground and recovered shortly thereafter on MSFS 2024, this happens to me constantly with every single aircraft. I thought we were done with severe stuttering in the flare with FSX, but I guess not.

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                            #27

                            Yes, this was exactly what happened.
                            The ground textures turned very blurry in a small circle around my aircraft too, maybe a 10m radius.
                            The only add-on I use that changes LOD is AutoFPS but I use AutoFPS on every flight and have never seen this behaviour before.
                            Always a giant leap forwards and then fall backwards with this sim. I can't wait until it's more stable.
                            Thank you for your feedback and good luck with your Simisms

                            Ryzen 5800X3D, 64GB RAM, RTX 4090, Windows 11

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