Airways, SID/STAR
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Hey everyone!
First, I want to tell you, that this aircraft is wonderful so far, yesterday I took it for a quick spin and really liked it.My question is - I did not check the fms deeply yet -, is it possible to insert airways, and sid/stars into the flightplan (I think I saw in a video or an image, that a sid was in the flightplan, but not sure)
Also curious about where the floppy gets the new updates? Is it actually the new airac versions, or just a 'simulated' update?
Thank you for the answers.
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No SIDS or STARS. You can load them on the GNS 430 if you would like the autopilot to fly them for you. The MFD joystick also makes waypoint entry a breeze.
The floppy is "just for show", as the aircraft will always use the most up to date data from inside the simulator. When I saw that all the current Starship owners are still using floppy disks to update their navigation data, I simply had to include it.
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What about Airways? Can those be used? I flew from PAFA to PABR last night and not utilizing the airways in the Arctic can and does add miles to the Flight that wasn’t calculated. I figured there must be a way if the system accepts waypoints, but I haven’t found a way to
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I thought you can fly SIDS/STARS/airways by adding the individual waypoints manually into the FMS.
@Gilandred You can but you're really not supposed to. From ICAO Doc 9613:
"3.3.4.5.4 Pilots must not fly an RNAV 1 or RNAV 2 SID or STAR unless it is retrievable by route name from the on-board navigation database and conforms to the charted route."
For airways, yes you can load them in waypoint by waypoint.
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No SIDS or STARS. You can load them on the GNS 430 if you would like the autopilot to fly them for you. The MFD joystick also makes waypoint entry a breeze.
The floppy is "just for show", as the aircraft will always use the most up to date data from inside the simulator. When I saw that all the current Starship owners are still using floppy disks to update their navigation data, I simply had to include it.
@Black-Square said in Airways, SID/STAR:
No SIDS or STARS. You can load them on the GNS 430 if you would like the autopilot to fly them for you. The MFD joystick also makes waypoint entry a breeze.
The floppy is "just for show", as the aircraft will always use the most up to date data from inside the simulator. When I saw that all the current Starship owners are still using floppy disks to update their navigation data, I simply had to include it.
Understandable and thanks for the reply.
And yeah, that floppy is really neat
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No SIDS or STARS. You can load them on the GNS 430 if you would like the autopilot to fly them for you. The MFD joystick also makes waypoint entry a breeze.
The floppy is "just for show", as the aircraft will always use the most up to date data from inside the simulator. When I saw that all the current Starship owners are still using floppy disks to update their navigation data, I simply had to include it.
@Black-Square Is there a way to take the floppy out? When I load everything and try to remove the disk afterwards, I can pull the disk out, but I can’t put it back on the shelf
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@Gilandred You can but you're really not supposed to. From ICAO Doc 9613:
"3.3.4.5.4 Pilots must not fly an RNAV 1 or RNAV 2 SID or STAR unless it is retrievable by route name from the on-board navigation database and conforms to the charted route."
For airways, yes you can load them in waypoint by waypoint.
@09tir98 said in Airways, SID/STAR:
@Gilandred You can but you're really not supposed to. From ICAO Doc 9613:
"3.3.4.5.4 Pilots must not fly an RNAV 1 or RNAV 2 SID or STAR unless it is retrievable by route name from the on-board navigation database and conforms to the charted route."
For airways, yes you can load them in waypoint by waypoint.
This is good to know, I've been entering in each waypoint. So without the GNS430, this is /Z?
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@09tir98 said in Airways, SID/STAR:
@Gilandred You can but you're really not supposed to. From ICAO Doc 9613:
"3.3.4.5.4 Pilots must not fly an RNAV 1 or RNAV 2 SID or STAR unless it is retrievable by route name from the on-board navigation database and conforms to the charted route."
For airways, yes you can load them in waypoint by waypoint.
This is good to know, I've been entering in each waypoint. So without the GNS430, this is /Z?
@raptor05121 said in Airways, SID/STAR:
This is good to know, I've been entering in each waypoint. So without the GNS430, this is /Z?
As far as FAA parlance is concerned, I would agree with that.
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That is because a lot of RNAV SIDs and STARs have special leg types that can’t be replicated with manual waypoint entry. AIRNC 424 specifies 23 different leg types such as course to altitude, heading to intercept, radius to fix, DME arcs, etc. Of these 23 legs, only fix to fix legs can be easily replicated by manual entry.
If you find a STAR or SID that only has fix to fix routing, there’s no technical reason why you can’t fly it. You can perform the others with some creative flying, but it technically won’t be as accurate as a fully AIRNC 424 capable navigation system. Hence why the regulations require you to select all procedures from the database. Better safe than sorry.
