BS TBM 850 - My early thoughts
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Over the past few day, I've enjoyed the TBM 850. Overall, very well done. Whilst I have no TBM/Turbine experience, there are a few areas I would like to see improved
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Improved sound - Default sound does not do the aircraft justice. No beta prop sounds, reverse etc.
Flying model does not feel right at certain points. P-factor too mild. There is a strange pitch change after take-off. (I've not had the issue of floating on landing VREF 80-85 kts)
Better method of selecting reverse (this may be a MSFS limitation).
Better lighting (external) - Custom for the aircraft rather than default Asobo - Currently some lights do not have volumetric effects and the landing lights area look wrong when viewing from outside.
Does the AMP metre work? After a battery start, there does not appear to be sufficent increase in AMPs when the start is complete and the generator is on
Is hypxo possible? I dumped the cabin pressure at FL310 and did not have any effects. Oxygen was off.
Improved overhead back lighting. Switches are not readable at night.Nice to have
Exhaust to continue to shows signs of heat after shutdown (like the TBM Hotstart X-Plane)
Main door - Need to hold button to close the door. Then turn handle to lock. Currently it's all one animation after a short press on the button.
Visible inflation of de-ice boots
Headset plugin (noise reduction)
Wheel chocks and coversReally nice to have
Tray table and window blinds that functionOverall, great work BlackSquare. Looking forward to the updates.
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I'm loving it overall I think it gives you a sense of immersion as soon as you get in... Would agree with some bits getting some tweaks and polish but sure they will in time.
Features wise I'd like a headset simulation where you can plug in your virtual headset and reduce cabin noise as even on 1800/1900 rpm that prop drone is loud on longer flights.
I think the internal startup and shutdown sounds are great though.
Maybe a slider option for the alerter, DH and horn sounds would be nice as I think they are all a touch quiet -
Over the past few day, I've enjoyed the TBM 850. Overall, very well done. Whilst I have no TBM/Turbine experience, there are a few areas I would like to see improved
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Improved sound - Default sound does not do the aircraft justice. No beta prop sounds, reverse etc.
Flying model does not feel right at certain points. P-factor too mild. There is a strange pitch change after take-off. (I've not had the issue of floating on landing VREF 80-85 kts)
Better method of selecting reverse (this may be a MSFS limitation).
Better lighting (external) - Custom for the aircraft rather than default Asobo - Currently some lights do not have volumetric effects and the landing lights area look wrong when viewing from outside.
Does the AMP metre work? After a battery start, there does not appear to be sufficent increase in AMPs when the start is complete and the generator is on
Is hypxo possible? I dumped the cabin pressure at FL310 and did not have any effects. Oxygen was off.
Improved overhead back lighting. Switches are not readable at night.Nice to have
Exhaust to continue to shows signs of heat after shutdown (like the TBM Hotstart X-Plane)
Main door - Need to hold button to close the door. Then turn handle to lock. Currently it's all one animation after a short press on the button.
Visible inflation of de-ice boots
Headset plugin (noise reduction)
Wheel chocks and coversReally nice to have
Tray table and window blinds that functionOverall, great work BlackSquare. Looking forward to the updates.
@pedwards I agree with most of these comments. In addition, the takeoff trim indicators seem wonky. The elevator trim indiicator is backwards? I don't seem to detect any pull to the left on takeoff which I would expect with this prop. It would be nice to have a throttle/power lever calibration routine to accommodate the various hardware solutions out there.
But all in all a great plane. Hopefully, it will only improve.
John.
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Over the past few day, I've enjoyed the TBM 850. Overall, very well done. Whilst I have no TBM/Turbine experience, there are a few areas I would like to see improved
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Improved sound - Default sound does not do the aircraft justice. No beta prop sounds, reverse etc.
Flying model does not feel right at certain points. P-factor too mild. There is a strange pitch change after take-off. (I've not had the issue of floating on landing VREF 80-85 kts)
Better method of selecting reverse (this may be a MSFS limitation).
Better lighting (external) - Custom for the aircraft rather than default Asobo - Currently some lights do not have volumetric effects and the landing lights area look wrong when viewing from outside.
Does the AMP metre work? After a battery start, there does not appear to be sufficent increase in AMPs when the start is complete and the generator is on
Is hypxo possible? I dumped the cabin pressure at FL310 and did not have any effects. Oxygen was off.
Improved overhead back lighting. Switches are not readable at night.Nice to have
Exhaust to continue to shows signs of heat after shutdown (like the TBM Hotstart X-Plane)
Main door - Need to hold button to close the door. Then turn handle to lock. Currently it's all one animation after a short press on the button.
Visible inflation of de-ice boots
Headset plugin (noise reduction)
Wheel chocks and coversReally nice to have
Tray table and window blinds that functionOverall, great work BlackSquare. Looking forward to the updates.
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@pedwards
For people interested also in some enhancement i continue my BS Mod with the TBM this time:
-Fonts mods on every stencils.
-EFS-40 PFD and HSI Font displays.
-Alarms lights enhancement with glowing effects and fonts modifications.
@804737 said in BS TBM 850 - My early thoughts:
@pedwards
For people interested also in some enhancement i continue my BS Mod with the TBM this time:Nice one, where might we find this enhancement? I'm also having issues with blurry dials when not zoomed in. Not sure if anyone has noticed this?
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Over the past few day, I've enjoyed the TBM 850. Overall, very well done. Whilst I have no TBM/Turbine experience, there are a few areas I would like to see improved
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Improved sound - Default sound does not do the aircraft justice. No beta prop sounds, reverse etc.
Flying model does not feel right at certain points. P-factor too mild. There is a strange pitch change after take-off. (I've not had the issue of floating on landing VREF 80-85 kts)
Better method of selecting reverse (this may be a MSFS limitation).
Better lighting (external) - Custom for the aircraft rather than default Asobo - Currently some lights do not have volumetric effects and the landing lights area look wrong when viewing from outside.
Does the AMP metre work? After a battery start, there does not appear to be sufficent increase in AMPs when the start is complete and the generator is on
Is hypxo possible? I dumped the cabin pressure at FL310 and did not have any effects. Oxygen was off.
Improved overhead back lighting. Switches are not readable at night.Nice to have
Exhaust to continue to shows signs of heat after shutdown (like the TBM Hotstart X-Plane)
Main door - Need to hold button to close the door. Then turn handle to lock. Currently it's all one animation after a short press on the button.
Visible inflation of de-ice boots
Headset plugin (noise reduction)
Wheel chocks and coversReally nice to have
Tray table and window blinds that functionOverall, great work BlackSquare. Looking forward to the updates.
@pedwards
I'm with you on your list. Regarding the P-factor the sim is not nearly aggressive enough with this. When I flew both the 700 and 850 I was expecting the rudder use on takeoff, what did catch me by surprise was after landing and going to reverse thrust and finding I had to be very aggressive with the rudder!I love all the attention to detail with regards to the cockpit switches, decals, lighting. I am wondering if there are any future plans for the yoke clips? That would be a wonderful place to clip an approach plate and then be able to utilize that wonderful yoke clip light. I would add that to the Really nice to have list.
Dr Z
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@pedwards
I'm with you on your list. Regarding the P-factor the sim is not nearly aggressive enough with this. When I flew both the 700 and 850 I was expecting the rudder use on takeoff, what did catch me by surprise was after landing and going to reverse thrust and finding I had to be very aggressive with the rudder!I love all the attention to detail with regards to the cockpit switches, decals, lighting. I am wondering if there are any future plans for the yoke clips? That would be a wonderful place to clip an approach plate and then be able to utilize that wonderful yoke clip light. I would add that to the Really nice to have list.
Dr Z
@drzgard
Agree on P-factor.
My guess on power limited to 100% on TO is too high P-factor with weak rudder authority at low speed..
Overhead lightning is to weak. Hard to see switch positions.Hoped to see some improvements in beta range. At least sound and fake prop RPM indication (for immersion). - But no doubt BS did their best within limitations.
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@804737 said in BS TBM 850 - My early thoughts:
@pedwards
For people interested also in some enhancement i continue my BS Mod with the TBM this time:Nice one, where might we find this enhancement? I'm also having issues with blurry dials when not zoomed in. Not sure if anyone has noticed this?
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Thanks for the compliments!
Work still in progress.Working with Nick on some refinements .Will keep you informed as soon as it's ready.Wil be most probably available on flightsim.to
BRGDS
Daniel!@804737 Daniel, (and Nick)... if you've got any input with the team see if you can talk them into a clickspot on the yoke clip that reveals a chart sized clipboard with the ability to display a saved pdf/jpg file the user can select. That way you could display a SID/STAR/APP on the yoke... and even utilize that cool yoke map light if flying at night.
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@pedwards I agree with most of these comments. In addition, the takeoff trim indicators seem wonky. The elevator trim indiicator is backwards? I don't seem to detect any pull to the left on takeoff which I would expect with this prop. It would be nice to have a throttle/power lever calibration routine to accommodate the various hardware solutions out there.
But all in all a great plane. Hopefully, it will only improve.
John.
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@804737 Daniel, (and Nick)... if you've got any input with the team see if you can talk them into a clickspot on the yoke clip that reveals a chart sized clipboard with the ability to display a saved pdf/jpg file the user can select. That way you could display a SID/STAR/APP on the yoke... and even utilize that cool yoke map light if flying at night.
@drzgard
Hi,
I'm contributing humbly to some enhancement but don't have more influence than all of you but i'm sure Nick is carefully reading your comments and if it's within his capacities in terms of time of developpment , be sure he will try to deliver you the nicest addon you have ever dreamt of...
