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    Ruddman Banned
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    @derek

    If the P3D version would've been a flop. You never released it.
    And now you have to decide if producing one for a mickey mouse 'flight simulator' is worth it.

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    Derek JF Staff
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    @ruddman said in 747 Classic Progress:

    If the P3D version would've been a flop.

    We have been in the FS business for over 25 years. When sales of an existing title go from 50 a month to 2 a month you don't have to ask Warren Buffet to know when a market has collapsed.

    if producing one for a mickey mouse 'flight simulator' is worth it.

    It certainly is. All those kids on their X-Stations and Playboxes are gagging for one. We might even put extra engines on it and do some 'what if' missions to the PMDG Moonbase Alpha.

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    @ruddman As a guy that has spent nearly 20 years working on flight dynamics, I 100% agree - it is a game, not a simulator. Mickey Mouse would be upset that you dragged him down to its level. Unfortunately, Derek is precise in his description of the market and you have to understand the business need - personally, I am glad that the FS hobby has suddenly gone mainstream but I'm desperate for the team responsible for the core behaviours to actually look at the flight model for once rather than the scenery . . .

    Just Flight FDE developer

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    BodoM
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    @derek said in 747 Classic Progress:

    @ruddman said in 747 Classic Progress:

    @derek

    I wonder if MSFS was never an option if it had’ve been released for P3D by now?

    Of course. If MSFS had not been released there would more than likely still be a significant market for P3D software. As it stands, no such market exists - it disappeared within weeks - which is why we had to cancel the 747 and A300.

    What you write is absolute nonsense. Yes, the market disappeared for UK because of their chaotic leave of the European Communuity :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:

    A market cannot "disappear" within few weeks. You had to cancel the product because the P3D version was far from completion yet, triggered by the developer team change... Second reason was a bad product maangement within JustFlight.

    MSFS is not a simulator, it is a game. I bought Xplane12 and the Felis Classic 747 which is on study level niveau. I recommand to everybody here, espaecially @ruddman to do the same. It is worthwhile.

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    Derek JF Staff
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    @bodom said in 747 Classic Progress:

    A market cannot "disappear" within few weeks.

    It normally takes about three months. Much depends on whether titles can be quickly converted to work in the new sim. People will buy 'old' software if they know it will be updated to work in the new version. That was not the case with MSFS - unlike everything from FS95 onwards. So, MSFS owners didn't buy any FSX/P3D titles and the market vanished. Our experience was mirrored by other FS publishers that we work with. Feel free to postulate your own theories, but those are the facts. Yes, the team changed, but that was irrelevant once MSFS arrived. The cost to release was in excess of the potential sales. Simple.

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    @derek

    Sorry but you dish out the same sorry excuses,. Your team couldn’t produce a quality 747 Classic add-on for a genuine flight simulator platform. And you simply use the MSFS ‘sales’ pitch since that platform mostly caters to visual mediocre releases which the x-box crowd love. And you’ll make money from that. Hello Captain Sim.

    Good for you and your bank account. But no one will take it seriously. If it actually does get released.

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    @ruddman said in 747 Classic Progress:

    But no one will take it seriously. If it actually does get released.

    Not true. I will. :slightly_smiling_face:

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    Gabe777
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    @derek

    Oh Derek.

    I can't wait for extra engines .... and what about a blow-up autopilot ... that likes cigarettes ?

    🤣🤣🤣

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    Gabe777
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    @bodom

    Well... I have all 3.

    They are not mutually exclusive.

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    @filbertflies

    Agreed.

    I admit that I get frustrated sometimes with the ticket system here... hey, I was banned for a week (!)... but JF aircraft get better all the time.

    If this guy tried the BAe 146, he wouldn't be criticising the "not yet released" 747-200.

    The BAe is pretty darn good... and will be EVEN better once the original FMS/UNS 'thingey' is released.

    Really hands on stuff... as will be the 747 Classic.

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    @filbertflies

    Some of us prefer quality simulators. Some of us dont. :)

    And if its in MSFS, it wont be quality. :)

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    @ruddman Its funny, I have seen more and more real world pilots (airliner and GA) saying they prefer MSFS over X-plane and P3D. So Asobo must be doing something right.

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    @melon

    I take anything 'real world pilots' say on a social media site. I watched one pilot that said MSFS was the best....because of the graphics. LOL.

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    @ruddman Should be -
    @melon

    I take anything 'real world pilots' say on a social media site with a grain of salt.

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    @ruddman You could have just edited your post instead of wasting my time.

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    @melon

    Its had gone past its used by date for editing.

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    Kenzo
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    Is there already a rough timeframe for the 747?

    Haven’t flown anything else since the release of the F28. I love the old dials cockpits and radio navigation, looking forward to flying the INS in both your upcoming 747 as well as the A300.

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    rafaelhgk
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    Hello! Are there any screenshots or even a video of this project?

    Tks
    Rafael

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    Derek JF Staff
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    @rafaelhgk said in 747 Classic Progress:

    Hello! Are there any screenshots or even a video of this project?

    Tks
    Rafael

    The only images we have were of the P3D version, which was cancelled. Nothing new since then, I am afraid.

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    @rich

    U hu ..... 🤣

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