The Black Square fleet-wide ILS tracking issue continues
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I get it. I can't confirm or deny how the A2A autopilot works, but that would explain why the KLN works in their fleet but not in yours.
I will try to record a video and upload it so I can share it with you. I am planning to take the Caravan for a spin later this evening and then use the KLN to fly an ILS approach somewhere.
As for default aircraft, I can confirm I did not - so far - experience any intercept issues in the Working Title Cirrus SR22T and the Grumman Albatross - these are the only two default aircraft I ever touched (!) from the stock lineup. But I will re-test them to see if I can reproduce the issue in one of them.
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I get it. I can't confirm or deny how the A2A autopilot works, but that would explain why the KLN works in their fleet but not in yours.
I will try to record a video and upload it so I can share it with you. I am planning to take the Caravan for a spin later this evening and then use the KLN to fly an ILS approach somewhere.
As for default aircraft, I can confirm I did not - so far - experience any intercept issues in the Working Title Cirrus SR22T and the Grumman Albatross - these are the only two default aircraft I ever touched (!) from the stock lineup. But I will re-test them to see if I can reproduce the issue in one of them.
@kityatyi said in The Black Square fleet-wide ILS tracking issue continues:
Working Title Cirrus SR22T and the Grumman Albatross
Just in case it saves you some time, if both of those aircraft use the WT G1000, then I would expect them not to exhibit the issue, as they have the same WT autopilot as the GNS 530. To obtain useful information from the default aircraft, it would have to be from one without any avionics besides nav/com radios.
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@kityatyi said in The Black Square fleet-wide ILS tracking issue continues:
Working Title Cirrus SR22T and the Grumman Albatross
Just in case it saves you some time, if both of those aircraft use the WT G1000, then I would expect them not to exhibit the issue, as they have the same WT autopilot as the GNS 530. To obtain useful information from the default aircraft, it would have to be from one without any avionics besides nav/com radios.
The Albatross has several variants, a G1000, an analog, and now a G3X variant.
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Having Lots of ILS / LOC & RNAV Problems in msfs2024, with ALL BKSQ PRO Aircraft and the TBM-850. (NON GPS - ONLY KX155 and the KN-80/81 activated)
Also I noticed after spending many hours, that the system performance of the units change if i Use the KNS Units for something, and then try to do an ILS with either installed unit. Totally un-reliable for now. I Will also try these aircraft in msfs2020 to see if its the same there.
For me the Avionics and that they function correctly is very primary, and I have no doubt Nick & Team will fix these issues if possible.
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Having Lots of ILS / LOC & RNAV Problems in msfs2024, with ALL BKSQ PRO Aircraft and the TBM-850. (NON GPS - ONLY KX155 and the KN-80/81 activated)
Also I noticed after spending many hours, that the system performance of the units change if i Use the KNS Units for something, and then try to do an ILS with either installed unit. Totally un-reliable for now. I Will also try these aircraft in msfs2020 to see if its the same there.
For me the Avionics and that they function correctly is very primary, and I have no doubt Nick & Team will fix these issues if possible.
@ErnieBall So sorry to hear that some of you are still dealing with this. I was currently under the impression that this was endemic to many/all aircraft in MSFS 2024, and something for Asobo to fix. I have never experienced this myself, and from the frequency of reports, I think not everyone experiences this. Did you see the above mention of FSUIPC and 3rd programs that poll the state of the simulator?
If you want to add your voice to things on the Asobo end, here is the most recently updated official forum topic on the subject. I can make a topic in our developer support forum about this too.
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Thank You Sir for your reply
The stuff I experience might as well be on my end, but as I saw the others above and other places, I thought i would just give notice.I DO Have FCUIPC Running, and i can disable it as I dont useit for other that some "Heads up " Utility- Can do without if that helps.
I Also SPAD, and i can test to disable that as well!
But that one is hard to live without haha.I can also tell now after testing, that the BKSQ Analog Versions in MSFS2020 work as they should i believe.
Thats also great as I can have my IMC Approach "Fix" in that sim when needed haha.I WIll check out and se If I can add something to that ASOBO forum.
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BKSQ AP Issues.
Example - Bonanza Pro - Flying a short route as follows:Airport to a VOR using AP in HDG then NAV mode using KX155. Having previously set up the KNS-81 to use the same VOR as ref, I made an "Offset" WP1 from that, so after passing the VOR I Use the KNS-81 & RNAV mode to nav to WP1. I switch over HSI Source to RNAV, AND also Press the NAV/GPS Button to set AP to follow RNAV. I Then line up the AC towards WP1 with HDG Mode, and then Activate NAV mode on the AP, and it steers correctly towards WP1, also showing "DME Data" in the DME Display that has been set to show RNAV. - Perfect!
At WP1 I switch to HDG mode and turn towards the ILS (Set in KX155 NAV1) Feathers at a 30 Deg Angle and some miles out from where feathers start. Making sure HSI Source is now set to "NAV 1" & NAV/GPS mode to NAV, i activate APR Mode on the AP and get the correct AP Mode Annunciators APR & GS, and HSI indicates the Needle /CDI correctly. - . So Far So Good...
Entering LOC Center line the Needle starts moving but nothing happens, the AP does not capture the LOC at all, and I have tried lots of sets of Approaches and trying different things to get it to capture.
Finally I found, that If I immediatly after seeing the LOC Needle starts to move Press NAV/GPS mode to RNAV and then again back to NAV, Then the AP will capture the LOC/ILS correctly and the full ILS Phaze works as expected.
It seems that If I DO NOT use the KNS-80/81 during a Flight, The LOC/ILS Works as it should, and If I have used it, I must Restart the flight from the World map to "Reset" the AP system.
One more note only: When the AP does capture it almost always "aims" the AC towards the Rwy threshold and reaches LOC "center line" very late in my opinion
Hope this helps to find the "Bug"
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Now I can also confirm the above posting on specifically the Bonanza Pro, it also goes for the TBM850 as well in reg to the Capture problems as well as the procedure to activate a working Approach - but here with the HSI NAV Selector button on the HSI. However there are some other quirks ..
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After using the KNS and switching over to HDG mode on the AP, The HDG bug has a hard time centering up after changing course. It sits a little offset to Center. If the NAV selection for the HSI is back on for example LOC-1, the the bug is OK again.
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LOC/ILS Does not work from the KNS in Any MODE Selections on the KNS! (Probably when the problem is active)
I do not get these problems in MSFS2020 Using the ANALOGs! - Have not tried the "PROs" there yet..!
I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF JUST SOMEONE HAVING THESE ISSUES COULD CONFIRM THE ABOVE PROCEDURE!
Thanks All!
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BKSQ AP Issues.
Example - Bonanza Pro - Flying a short route as follows:Airport to a VOR using AP in HDG then NAV mode using KX155. Having previously set up the KNS-81 to use the same VOR as ref, I made an "Offset" WP1 from that, so after passing the VOR I Use the KNS-81 & RNAV mode to nav to WP1. I switch over HSI Source to RNAV, AND also Press the NAV/GPS Button to set AP to follow RNAV. I Then line up the AC towards WP1 with HDG Mode, and then Activate NAV mode on the AP, and it steers correctly towards WP1, also showing "DME Data" in the DME Display that has been set to show RNAV. - Perfect!
At WP1 I switch to HDG mode and turn towards the ILS (Set in KX155 NAV1) Feathers at a 30 Deg Angle and some miles out from where feathers start. Making sure HSI Source is now set to "NAV 1" & NAV/GPS mode to NAV, i activate APR Mode on the AP and get the correct AP Mode Annunciators APR & GS, and HSI indicates the Needle /CDI correctly. - . So Far So Good...
Entering LOC Center line the Needle starts moving but nothing happens, the AP does not capture the LOC at all, and I have tried lots of sets of Approaches and trying different things to get it to capture.
Finally I found, that If I immediatly after seeing the LOC Needle starts to move Press NAV/GPS mode to RNAV and then again back to NAV, Then the AP will capture the LOC/ILS correctly and the full ILS Phaze works as expected.
It seems that If I DO NOT use the KNS-80/81 during a Flight, The LOC/ILS Works as it should, and If I have used it, I must Restart the flight from the World map to "Reset" the AP system.
One more note only: When the AP does capture it almost always "aims" the AC towards the Rwy threshold and reaches LOC "center line" very late in my opinion
Hope this helps to find the "Bug"
@ErnieBall I tried your exact procedure with the Bonanza Pro in FS24, and got the same result twice in two tries. Also tried flying the exact same flight, but flying normal VOR instead of KNS, and it caught the ILS first try. If I use the KNS, but using NAV instead of HDG when arming the APR, it also caught the ILS. Then I tried all again, this time in FS20 and got the exact same results. The problem seemed to be when switching from HDG to APR, after having used the KNS.
It all seemed 100% reproducible, but as I’m writing this, I’m doing yet another try at the original procedure, and this time it worked as expected, going from HDG to APR, having used the KNS during the flight. So, now I don’t know.
Does the distance away from the center line, when arming the APR, affect its functioning? I’m not a pilot, so I don’t know the proper procedures, but when do you usually arm the APR?
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Appreciate you made time for testing!
I have not flown for real since some years back (due to medical) ,But i would say thet the procedure I am used to, of corse depending on the AC & Equipment, I do the following:
I am in either GPS, NAV or HDG Mode (or flying without all that..by hand haha) Set or activate the LOC/ILS frequency to be used and check that the LOC and or GS comes alive.
I Then do an intercept to the LOC Centerline ("feathers") at an angle below 45 Deg, and then ARM approach mode by pressing the APPR button. If HDG was used, Both HDG and APPR arm annunciators should light up, and the autopilot should stay in HDG mode if you are some way out from the LOC. It should then intercept as the localizer comes alive (Needle starts moving), Generally the autopilot should start the turn at about 2 to 3 dots on the CDI. This might differ dep on equip.Yes, in my experience the distance to centerline does matter. If you are very close, or even inside the feathers (LOC AREA), normally it will capture directly and turn.
I Also tested the ANALOG BONANZA now in MSFS2024 as well, and the problem is the same. Including the need to Switch the AP Nav source to RNAV and Back, AFTER the needles start to move. Then it would capture.
Regarding multiple tries with the KX155's Only, It works every time for me so far... maybe teste 3-4 consecutive approaches .
Insane that it just suddenly worked with the standard procedure!
Anyways, Thanks alot!
I will continue testing as well.
