v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC
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@Rich
How come you have real world flight plans placing Mongolian Airlines in the UK and EU airports i was not aware they fly in this part of the world, and if you need a slider to create more traffic for missing aircraft do we take it your going to add them in the future, I ask that as you have not stated if or when the next update will be this Year.
How is replacing missing aircraft and livery's realistic AI that was stated when released.
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@Ray-Fry said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
@Rich
How come you have real world flight plans placing Mongolian Airlines in the UK and EU airports i was not aware they fly in this part of the world, and if you need a slider to create more traffic for missing aircraft do we take it your going to add them in the future, I ask that as you have not stated if or when the next update will be this Year.
How is replacing missing aircraft and livery's realistic AI that was stated when released.
Is the tail number missing by design intentional.Coincidentally, this question was asked on another thread. I replied thus:
If you can contact support and advise the time and location of the flight you are seeing we can look into it. The software in Traffic Global gets its flights from a database, which is like a big spreadsheet. This is sourced from a commercially available supplier of such things and is the type of thing used by other airlines, travel agents and so forth. However, it can throw up anomalies such as re-named airlines, holding company operators and codesharing. It is also, of course, possible to have an error in it. For example, we could remove all reference to British Airways in the database and replace the airline with, say, Aeroflot, which would see Aeroflot operating the Glasgow shuttle each day. But we wouldn't do that.
Also, the database lists aircraft and airlines. For the flight, the airline and the aircraft to be placed in the game by TG, it requires a flight plan, an aircraft and a livery. The object of the software is to match the flights in the database with flight plans in the software, aircraft models and liveries.
Not every aircraft, airline and livery in the world can be included, so there is an option to use alternative liveries.
I think we have already explained to you how the flight legs work, so I won't go over that again.
So, if you can let us have details about the Mongolian flights we can see if this is due to codeshare, an alternative or if there is a bug.Worth reading that thread and then, if you can let us know the details via a support ticket, we can, of course, look into it.
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@Derek ]
In other words we have what we have if we don`t like it use something else, we are not getting anything else.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/51129877909/in/dateposted-public/
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@Ray-Fry said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
@Derek ]
In other words we have what we have if we don`t like it use something else, we are not getting anything else.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/51129877909/in/dateposted-public/
And this with custom AFCAD empty parking KDFW 9am hence US users reporting lack of traffic.No, in the actual words I wrote, if you can give us a support ticket with some data we can look into it. What you have posted there seems to be a picture of an airport with a plane flying over it. Is that a Mongolian airlines plane? Pretty sure KFDW is not in the UK or Europe.
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@RogerD said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
Hi Derek,
It’s good too see you are monitoring this thread. Are you getting other reports of compile errors with this latest version? If not, then I guess I need to spend some time tracking why my system keeps hanging at the GA compile point. I note Ray in this thread is on P3Dv5.1, I’m loading on P3Dv4.5If you raise a support ticket we may be able to get to the bottom of it.
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@Derek said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
@Ray-Fry said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
@Derek ]
In other words we have what we have if we don`t like it use something else, we are not getting anything else.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/51129877909/in/dateposted-public/
And this with custom AFCAD empty parking KDFW 9am hence US users reporting lack of traffic.No, in the actual words I wrote, if you can give us a support ticket with some data we can look into it. What you have posted there seems to be a picture of an airport with a plane flying over it. Is that a Mongolian airlines plane? Pretty sure KFDW is not in the UK or Europe.
Their is no Mongolian airline in TG and JF must know that so it cannot load like other missing airlines.
KDFW was to show the lack of aircraft in the sim with this version of TG again JF should know that with users complain about the lack of parked aircraft at there addon airports,
BUT Most telling of all the lack of info for what is coming for TG if anything or is this the final build if so I will be OFF, That`s one way to get rid of me.I hate to say this but it sound like you and JF devs simmers don`t use there own TG for AI as you would know most of this.
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@Ray-Fry said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
@Derek said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
@Ray-Fry said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
@Derek ]
In other words we have what we have if we don`t like it use something else, we are not getting anything else.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/51129877909/in/dateposted-public/
And this with custom AFCAD empty parking KDFW 9am hence US users reporting lack of traffic.No, in the actual words I wrote, if you can give us a support ticket with some data we can look into it. What you have posted there seems to be a picture of an airport with a plane flying over it. Is that a Mongolian airlines plane? Pretty sure KFDW is not in the UK or Europe.
Their is no Mongolian airline in TG and JF must know that so it cannot load like other missing airlines.
KDFW was to show the lack of aircraft in the sim with this version of TG again JF should know that with users complain about the lack of parked aircraft at there addon airports,
BUT Most telling of all the lack of info for what is coming for TG if anything or is this the final build if so I will be OFF, That`s one way to get rid of me.I hate to say this but it sound like you and JF devs simmers don`t use there own TG for AI as you would know most of this.
"Their is no Mongolian airline in TG"
Which is why, when you said "How come you have real world flight plans placing Mongolian Airlines in the UK and EU airports" I asked for some examples. So far, none forthcoming.
"I hate to say this..."
Not on the evidence available so far."what is coming for TG if anything"
I am not sure what you are expecting. This is an AI traffic addon, not a FlightRadar24-type online subscription game. Tell us what you think the software should do that it doesn't do now. Remember, it is designed to add AI traffic to FSX and P3D and it does that very well. As I've explained time and time again, there is little point in updating the schedules given the current state of global aviation. Not sure what else we can do. -
@Derek
Well I will leave you with this KDFW FSDT Addon airport has 230 parking spots, TG has 112 flight plans not all can load due errors like KDFW - WSSS , KDFW- VHHH and so on timing error no slider can fix that, and have JF looked at how often the 320 is in error not because the airline is missing but because it should be 319 or 321 Aircraft for that livery now if JF don`t now this then they never tested this Database before release.
And depending on time of day some aircraft will be on route best time morning when loaded the screenshot was 9am local, and incoming flights have the same problem not loading due to errors flight time and aircraft and livery errors result less than 100 aircraft at the airport, and this is repeated at most major addon airports.
This is what TG could do 2years ago.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/46909521661/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/43152885062/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/27558221737/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/41596216424/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/42725591974/in/dateposted-public/
And the release version MAY 2018.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/41416660045/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/42271137352/in/dateposted-public/
TG has gone backwards in my opinion.
And finally this.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/51132088880/in/dateposted-public/
As you can see this well above normal AI BGL traffic down to my editing out some of the errors like no swiss air in swiss airports wrong aircraft listed 320 likewise with other main airlines KLM ,Austrian, Iberia, TAP, Alitalia ,Lufthansa and so on, but you cannot make more traffic show at major airport without creating it yourself, and I suspect users will think you install and compile and there addon airport will be filled with traffic of real airlines for that airport. -
@Ray-Fry said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
TG has gone backwards in my opinion.
Fortunately, not one shared by most users, I am pleased to say. Changes to the way the software works that we have made over the last few years have been in response to feedback from customers. I am sorry that the software doesn't meet your expectations, but I can't see any way we can meet them - especially as you have not said exactly what they are.
Just to reiterate for anyone reading this and having any problems with this (or any other software we make), simply raise a support ticket outlining the problem and we will do our best to resolve it for you.
Support lives here:
https://support.justflight.com/support/solutions/folders/17000130934Tickets here:
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@Derek
If you cannot see the difference in the screenshots 2years airports crammed with aircraft against today less than 50% full then i don`t see any point in contacting support .
KSFO today am.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/50839755078/in/dateposted-public/
17aircraft parked at gates an airport with 200 parking spots 109 plans in the database not all will load some exceed the 12 hour rule and some with errors. -
@Ray-Fry said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
@Derek
If you cannot see the difference in the screenshots 2years airports crammed with aircraft against today less than 50% full then i don`t see any point in contacting support .
KSFO today am.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/50839755078/in/dateposted-public/
17aircraft parked at gates an airport with 200 parking spots 109 plans in the database not all will load some exceed the 12 hour rule and some with errors.If you go to any real airport there are different numbers of planes at different times of the day. We have explained many, many times how the flight legs work.
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@Derek
Your still not understanding me older versions you had almost full major airports at most times of the day, now you never see this no matter what time of day 17aircraft and 2 taxing was at the busy time of some times you see less at a 200 parking pace airport, the maths dont work 109 flight plans can never fill 50% of the gates and as about 25% never compile due to errors and i am not talking wrong aircraft, you cannot compile a plan with more than a 12hour leg and the database used has this, check KMIA that`s even worse plans req 16 hours. and plans from the UK to Australia will not compile for the same reason.
PS most of the early access users have now moved to another Free AI program and will never return for P3D version and i wonder if this is reason for the lack of interest now from JF. and the same one is now in progress for MSFS and backed by the devs and users. -
@Ray-Fry said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
PS most of the early access users have now moved to another Free AI program and will never return for P3D version and i wonder if this is reason for the lack of interest now from JF. and the same one is now in progress for MSFS and backed by the devs and users.
If you continue to post this sort of rubbish in our public forums we will simply ban you. You have been warned before.
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Derek,
I think you have forgotten that every one who is active in this forum is a customer of Just Flight. You should never be rude or aggressive to customers. It unprofessional and a very poor business tactic.
Ray-Fry like many of us before is simply expressing his frustration with TG and is sharing the problems he is experiencing. Its good to know that we are not alone. He has been a great help to me and I'm sure others.
I have said this before. TG has the basis to become an excellent add on for P3Dv4. You were almost there. It just needed a bit more effort, but sadly it does seem that Just Flight have passed us by.
Are you going to threaten me with a ban for posting this?
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No, I am not going to ban anyone - unless of course they breach our forum rules or post up stuff that is misleading or simply untrue.
You say: " It just needed a bit more effort"
Can you be a bit more specific? I have asked Ray more times than I care to count to tell us what he thinks the program should do that it isn't doing already and unfortunately I have yet to see anything meaningful that we can answer properly. He has told us that the changes we have made to the software over the years ("a bit more effort", if you like) don't suit him and he then proceeds to lists differences in flight plan numbers/parked aircraft and cites a 'lack of traffic'. We've explained many times the way the flight legs work, but our replies are never engaged. The changes were in response to user feedback and we have been as open and transparent as we can be about what customers were asking for and how we would achieve it. This thread is a good example of how we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. For example, we went down a blind alley about Mongolian Airlines and got nowhere. I am sorry if my frustrations are so apparent, but we have put a LOT of work into this software, both on the P3D version and for X-Plane, and the feedback we receive from users is excellent. There comes a point, to quote Mr Spock, when "the needs of the many" has to play a part. I have been patient and polite in all my responses but even I can only take so much unwarranted criticism. Likewise, I am fully aware of who is and isn't a customer, but I really can't put up with comments like:
"most of the early access users have now moved to another Free AI program and will never return for P3D version and i wonder if this is reason for the lack of interest now from JF. and the same one is now in progress for MSFS and backed by the devs and users."
or:
Judging by other forums TG is the least used AI program now by users who purchased it for P3Dv4 x5, and if JF get it better they may come back.
It's clearly not true, but if it was designed to provoke a reaction, then job done. The customer is always the customer, but that doesn't give anyone carte blanche to post up that sort of thing.
I have no problem with criticism and will reply constructively and politely, but I think this has got way beyond that.
I will say it again, if anyone is aware of a bug or sees something they think isn't right, by all means raise a support ticket and we will look into it.
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Hi Derek,
You have asked me to be a bit more specific so here goes.
In my opinion this is what I think is needed to make TG a fantastic program.
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The ability to add 3rd party AI models and liveries for freeware sites like ATCO and JCAI.DK. The TG manual does not give instruction on how to do this. All it says is that "you will need to set up a valid aircraft folder inside the TG folder". Please tell us what is meant by a valid aircraft folder? If the user had access to such AI models we would have the ability to create real World flights using aircraft with the latest liveries using the "Add New Flight Plan" function which I find easy to work. I was sent a programme which I assume described the procedure to follow by the TG support but could open it. I posted the link on the forum but others could not open it either.
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Sort out compiling issues and error messages. I gave up trying to compile the built in Cargo traffic schedules, so I have created my own
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Return liveries that have gone missing during various update i.e Jet2 and TUI 757's
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Replace out of date liveries like the old Easyjet, Aer Lingus and Lufthansa ones
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Get rid of fictional A380 liveries like Air Trans, KLM and Siam. TG is meant to be as close to the real World as possible.
If all you did was to give the user the ability to add their own aircraft and liveries then I think most of us will be very happy.
If your not going to do that then you really do need to start adding some missing aircraft models so we don't see Mongolian aircraft at European airports. From my point of view I would like to see the following added:
Aer Lingus: A320, 330
Pakistan: 777
Gulf: 787
Eastern: Saab 340
SIN: A380
BA: 350
SAS: 350
Iberia: 350
This list suites my requirements as I contain my virtual flying to Europe. Clearly other users will come up with a different with list. Mine is not a long list which indicates just how close the AI fleet is to being spot on.I overcame the issue of missing long haul flights by producing replacement flight plans but from airports well within 12 hours of the designation. I have for example many flights that leave Cairo early morning to arrive at LHR as in the real World. It doesn't bother me that Cairo is now blessed with airlines it would normally never see, like ANA, JAL, EVA etc, as I do not intend to fly there.
I have been using TG for over 2.5 years and have learned to get the most out of it by getting around some of the restriction in the programme. Its a very good programme with, in my opinion a few glitches that need sorting out, the biggest is, at the risk of repeating my self, letting us into how to add new AI planes and liveries. Then you would not have to add new liveries, as the user could do this!
As I said "it just needs a bit more effort" to create a fantastic programme for P3D users.
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Thanks. This is the first time I have ever had a sensible answer when posing that question.
Adding new aircraft is unlikely to happen, although I wouldn't entirely rule it out. We did add a batch a while back.
Compiling issues - where are you with Support on that? Have you got a ticket running? If not, you would need to raise one. We can't fix those sorts of issues via the forum.
Likewise, airlines that go missing after an update.I thought KLM (sort of) had the A380 via the Air France tie-in? Siam Air was a real operator (but not of the A380). If we have their livery on an A380, I can only assume it's a bug or a substitute.
Adding user's own aircraft is not simple, but not totally impossible. If there is some demand it's certainly something we can look into. Adding liveries is more feasible - we do it for X-Plane.
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@Derek said in v 1.1.2.2 GA TRAFFIC CARGO TRAFFIC:
Adding liveries is more feasible
Way back when in the first EA releases, TrafficGlobal_Paintkit.exe was available for download, so perhaps this was something JF had in mind at the time?
Also, there's always been those greyed-out Import/Export tabs in the program...
I've been using TG since the day of it's initial EA release and I've never seen any explanation of exactly what those options might have been included for. [Unless it was intended for users to share their flightplans. I have a very vague memory of that possibly being posted sometime in the past. But then, these days, I have a very vague memory...:beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes: ]
I wholly agree that opening up the program to enable user input/sharing (like with the X-Plane version) would likely be quickly embraced by the flightsim community and greatly enhance the appeal of TG.
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Thanks Capt Quirk,
Being able to add user created liveries to the existing TG fleet would be tremendous. Perhaps a separate section could be created on this forum where new liveries can be discussed and downloaded.
Im sure there are some very talented users out there who can create liveries. I fear I'm not one of them but would be happy to give it a go!
Cheers
