Visible passengers?
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You can read many other posts about this on the forums here, but the problem is that Asobo removed our ability to rotate, scale, toggle visibility, and programmatically move all character models in MSFS 2024. This means that their limbs collide with seats, panels, rudder pedals, and sometimes their feet and heads stick right through the fuselage. While this might be an acceptable tradeoff for some, I feel that it would significantly cheapen the appearance of my aircraft to have the copilot's leg sticking through the panel. For this reason, I have decided to refrain from passenger models until Asobo restores these features that we had in MSFS 2020.
In the meantime, there are some enterprising users who have made mods for my aircraft to include passengers, which I hope might deliver what you are looking for. I have considered endorsing or creating modifications like this of my own, but unfortunately, there is no easy way for me to make the behavior toggleable in the base aircraft, precisely because the problem is lack of control over passenger model visibility, among other features.
@Black-SquareI think the sizing is optimal, and we shouldn't expect Asobo to provide options for that anytime soon. You might want to consider using the passengers as they are. The only issue with Mr BlueBear’s mod is that we have to use the default EFB to add passengers first, and then manually correct the weight and balance in your EFB. And adding passengers option is my sincere request to you.
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This aircraft and its cockpit are truly excellent. However, it is unacceptable that there are no passengers in the aircraft, and no co-pilot either. Their absence is very noticeable, and from a visual standpoint it is extremely important that passengers are visible.
I believe—and I would strongly ask the developer—to work on implementing a system where the number of passengers can be configured and where passengers are visibly present in the cabin.
We should not wait for Asobo to address this, as they are unlikely to resolve the issue. This is clearly something that can be implemented, as other developers have already done so. For example, Carenado allows both a co-pilot and passengers to be visible in their aircraft.
Therefore, I kindly ask the developer to prioritize this feature and make it available as soon as possible, because the current visual experience feels incomplete. The aircraft looks very empty and sterile with an unoccupied cabin. -
This aircraft and its cockpit are truly excellent. However, it is unacceptable that there are no passengers in the aircraft, and no co-pilot either. Their absence is very noticeable, and from a visual standpoint it is extremely important that passengers are visible.
I believe—and I would strongly ask the developer—to work on implementing a system where the number of passengers can be configured and where passengers are visibly present in the cabin.
We should not wait for Asobo to address this, as they are unlikely to resolve the issue. This is clearly something that can be implemented, as other developers have already done so. For example, Carenado allows both a co-pilot and passengers to be visible in their aircraft.
Therefore, I kindly ask the developer to prioritize this feature and make it available as soon as possible, because the current visual experience feels incomplete. The aircraft looks very empty and sterile with an unoccupied cabin.@batkizoltan it's the main reason I don't fly my starship that much ainmore. If I just had a copilot I could just live with that.
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@Black-SquareI think the sizing is optimal, and we shouldn't expect Asobo to provide options for that anytime soon. You might want to consider using the passengers as they are. The only issue with Mr BlueBear’s mod is that we have to use the default EFB to add passengers first, and then manually correct the weight and balance in your EFB. And adding passengers option is my sincere request to you.
@SebAvi said in Visible passengers?:
I think the sizing is optimal, and we shouldn't expect Asobo to provide options for that anytime soon.
Just to clarify, I'm not talking about 70% sizing. In MSFS 2020, 98% size (~1" of height for the average height) was enough to avoid collisions with everything.
@batkizoltan said in Visible passengers?:
However, it is unacceptable that there are no passengers in the aircraft, and no co-pilot either. Their absence is very noticeable, and from a visual standpoint it is extremely important that passengers are visible.
I will not ignore your opinions, and I am always happy to receive them. That's the only way I know what the community is interested in! However, please consider the competing interests here. I have routinely also received messages thanking me profusely for not including the hideous zombies with their limbs through the panel in my aircraft. This is why I have the toggleable option in MSFS 2020, because I want everyone to be happy. Since Asobo has removed our ability to programmatically control the model visibility, I am faced with two very opinionated groups of users, with currently mutually exclusive tastes. I want to make everyone happy, but this is a major challenge to that philosophy.
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I think a 'visible passengers ON/OFF' toggle would be the perfect solution to make everyone happy.
@SebAvi Just to be clear, I do too, but this is exactly the functionality that was removed in MSFS 2024.
I just checked our developer support forums, and this has been consistently requested since release, and the last action date was in January of this year, when Asobo still didn't "have any news yet". I will rally the troops at Just Flight to see if we can add some addition weight to those requests. I try to make everyone happy whenever I can, so this would be a big win if we could get them to finally address this.
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@Black-Square as discussed in the thread listed below it seems that somehow it's possible to show the old avatars (MSFS2020) instead, maybe it could be an alternative solution till Asobo provides a definitive solution to the MSFS2024 avatar size issue.
https://community.justflight.com/topic/10180/pilot-and-copilot-avatars
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@SebAvi said in Visible passengers?:
I think the sizing is optimal, and we shouldn't expect Asobo to provide options for that anytime soon.
Just to clarify, I'm not talking about 70% sizing. In MSFS 2020, 98% size (~1" of height for the average height) was enough to avoid collisions with everything.
@batkizoltan said in Visible passengers?:
However, it is unacceptable that there are no passengers in the aircraft, and no co-pilot either. Their absence is very noticeable, and from a visual standpoint it is extremely important that passengers are visible.
I will not ignore your opinions, and I am always happy to receive them. That's the only way I know what the community is interested in! However, please consider the competing interests here. I have routinely also received messages thanking me profusely for not including the hideous zombies with their limbs through the panel in my aircraft. This is why I have the toggleable option in MSFS 2020, because I want everyone to be happy. Since Asobo has removed our ability to programmatically control the model visibility, I am faced with two very opinionated groups of users, with currently mutually exclusive tastes. I want to make everyone happy, but this is a major challenge to that philosophy.
@Black-Square said in Visible passengers?:
This is why I have the toggleable option in MSFS 2020
Is this in the EFB? I'm using 2020 and would love to see visible passengers - unless they end up looking like the mentally disturbed things I've seen in planes by other devs.
