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Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved Starship
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  • Black SquareB Offline
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    Black Square
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    wrote last edited by Black Square
    #5

    I looked at how I could make this work in legacy mode, but the deep level interaction code is hardly readable by terrestrial minds. I will come back to this one as soon as I take care of any more pressing issues.

    For pure entertainment value, here is a snipped of related interaction code. I actually have no idea how I'm going to make this work yet, but I will figure it out.

    (M:Event) 'Lock' scmi 0 == if{
    	(M:Relative#AXIS#) (>O:_Last#AXIS#)
    } els{
    	(M:Event) 'Unlock' scmi 0 == if{
    		0 (>O:_Last#AXIS#)
    	} els{
    	(M:Event) 'LeftDrag' scmi 0 == if{ 
    		(M:Relative#AXIS#) (O:_Last#AXIS#) - sp0
    		#THRESHOLD# (>O:_InputThreshold)
    		l0 abs (O:_InputThreshold) > if{
    			l0 (O:_InputThreshold) / abs flr sp1
    			l0 (O:_InputThreshold) % abs sp2
    			:1 (* for loop *)
    			l1 0 <= if{ g2 }
    			l1 -- sp1
    			l0 0 > if{
    				#CLOCKWISE_CODE_DRAG_IM#
    			} els{
    				#ANTICLOCKWISE_CODE_DRAG_IM#
    			}
    			g1
    			:2 
    			l0 0 > if{
    				(M:Relative#AXIS#) l2 - (>O:_Last#AXIS#)
    			} els{
    				(M:Relative#AXIS#) l2 + (>O:_Last#AXIS#)
    			}
    		}
    	} } } } }
    quit
    
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      jmarkows
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      I don't suppose adding a small knob would be the answer? Similar to how you have the cabin temp gauge and lights in your recent aircraft; not exactly stock or necessarily realistic, but a nice touch for the sim.

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      • J jmarkows

        I don't suppose adding a small knob would be the answer? Similar to how you have the cabin temp gauge and lights in your recent aircraft; not exactly stock or necessarily realistic, but a nice touch for the sim.

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        GravenHusky
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        #7

        @Black-Square An invisible knob close to the headphone jack would be great! Kinda like the invisible autopilot button between the MSPs.

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        • Black SquareB Offline
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          Black Square
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          What I really should have done originally was to model a physical knob that mimics the real world hardware, but that would be a full day or two of work to add to all my aircraft now. As for an invisible knob, that's what's already there. It's just a matter of figuring out how to make it work with the legacy interaction system.

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          • Black SquareB Black Square

            What I really should have done originally was to model a physical knob that mimics the real world hardware, but that would be a full day or two of work to add to all my aircraft now. As for an invisible knob, that's what's already there. It's just a matter of figuring out how to make it work with the legacy interaction system.

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            SinkRate
            wrote last edited by
            #9

            @Black-Square I vote for a little headset controller (read: Bose Proflight) that rests in the cupholder when the headset is plugged in that you can use to adjust the ANR.

            Then again, its really easy for me to say :D

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              Dingle
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              #10

              Okay, maybe I give Lock a try. Someone mentioned I can get rid of the blue highlighting -- but how? Anyone knows?

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                Dingle
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                #11

                By the way, the ANC do not cancel out any noise of the external power unit. That's probably beacuse it's a default sound from the MSFS and cannot be tuned?

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                  Black Square
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                  #12

                  There are no default sounds in Starship at all. It's good in the code, so looks like a simple oversight from my sound designer. Easy fix, hopefully.

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                    Dingle
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                    Okay, I just came to assume if something is off it is usually me :D
                    I already enjoy that aircraft so much and have not even started the engine yet.

                    Also a very minor thing I noticed (not sure its worth the trouble of looking at it) is that when you close the door, the volume of the generator drops almost linear with door-closure-angle. That leads to a very pronounced noise dampening before the door is shut far enough to expect such a stong effect. Or is that only me?

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                    • Black SquareB Black Square

                      There are no default sounds in Starship at all. It's good in the code, so looks like a simple oversight from my sound designer. Easy fix, hopefully.

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                      sternn
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                      #14

                      @Black-Square Hey Nick, thanks for the detailed response. My issue is that I am actually in the modern mode, not legacy, not sure if I am doing something wrong here or if the feature is just bugged atm

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                        Black Square
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                        #15

                        Interesting. I've only seen the behavior you're describing with legacy interaction mode. Looking at my controls setup in the MSFS menu, do you have "Cockpit Interaction -Increase" bound to your mouse wheel? Do other knobs in the cockpit work when you scroll on them?

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                        • Black SquareB Black Square

                          Interesting. I've only seen the behavior you're describing with legacy interaction mode. Looking at my controls setup in the MSFS menu, do you have "Cockpit Interaction -Increase" bound to your mouse wheel? Do other knobs in the cockpit work when you scroll on them?

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                          sternn
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                          #16

                          @Black-Square Yes, everything works when i scroll on it in the cockpit, altimeter, altitude, comm panels the whole nine yards, just not the headphones. When you say legacy I assume the option your referring to is in the Settings ---> general ---> Flight model. Correct?

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                            wrote last edited by Black Square
                            #17

                            Ah. We are referring to General -> Accessibility-> Cockpit Interaction System.

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                            • Black SquareB Black Square

                              I looked at how I could make this work in legacy mode, but the deep level interaction code is hardly readable by terrestrial minds. I will come back to this one as soon as I take care of any more pressing issues.

                              For pure entertainment value, here is a snipped of related interaction code. I actually have no idea how I'm going to make this work yet, but I will figure it out.

                              (M:Event) 'Lock' scmi 0 == if{
                              	(M:Relative#AXIS#) (>O:_Last#AXIS#)
                              } els{
                              	(M:Event) 'Unlock' scmi 0 == if{
                              		0 (>O:_Last#AXIS#)
                              	} els{
                              	(M:Event) 'LeftDrag' scmi 0 == if{ 
                              		(M:Relative#AXIS#) (O:_Last#AXIS#) - sp0
                              		#THRESHOLD# (>O:_InputThreshold)
                              		l0 abs (O:_InputThreshold) > if{
                              			l0 (O:_InputThreshold) / abs flr sp1
                              			l0 (O:_InputThreshold) % abs sp2
                              			:1 (* for loop *)
                              			l1 0 <= if{ g2 }
                              			l1 -- sp1
                              			l0 0 > if{
                              				#CLOCKWISE_CODE_DRAG_IM#
                              			} els{
                              				#ANTICLOCKWISE_CODE_DRAG_IM#
                              			}
                              			g1
                              			:2 
                              			l0 0 > if{
                              				(M:Relative#AXIS#) l2 - (>O:_Last#AXIS#)
                              			} els{
                              				(M:Relative#AXIS#) l2 + (>O:_Last#AXIS#)
                              			}
                              		}
                              	} } } } }
                              quit
                              
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                              Black Square
                              Black Square Developer
                              wrote last edited by Black Square
                              #18

                              All done. That was much easier than expect. Just a few (M:RelativeX)'s here, and some scmi's there.

                              It will now also show the knob rotation cursor in Lock interaction mode, which is a nice way of telling users who didn't read every page of the manual that it can be adjusted. Thanks for the little push, guys! Sometimes that's all you need.

                              I learn something about the community with each aircraft I release, and with this one, it was how many of you use Legacy interaction mode! There are mods to remove the blue highlight, which I know many find objectionable. In general, I find Lock mode to be better implemented. If anyone finds themselves really enjoying flight planning on the MFD screen as I do, I highly recommend you try it with Lock mode. You can modify a route and replace waypoints in literally seconds.

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                              • Black SquareB Black Square

                                Ah. We are referring to General -> Accessibility-> Cockpit Interaction System.

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                                sternn
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                                #19

                                @Black-Square Apologies i should have clarified, im on MSFS2024

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                                  sternn
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                                  #20

                                  not sure if that is a major change or difference, but the flight model is in Modern currently. also I do have the bindings for Cockpit interaction increase/decrease

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                                    Black Square
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                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #21

                                    The flight model has nothing to do with the noise cancelation. There is an option in the Accessibility Settings to choose either "Legacy" or "Lock" as the interaction system. The "Legacy" mode shows more cursors and the "Lock" mode highlights the knobs/switches in blue. If you're not seeing blue highlights, then you are probably on "Legacy" mode, which will be fixed when I update Starship very soon.

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                                    • Black SquareB Black Square

                                      The flight model has nothing to do with the noise cancelation. There is an option in the Accessibility Settings to choose either "Legacy" or "Lock" as the interaction system. The "Legacy" mode shows more cursors and the "Lock" mode highlights the knobs/switches in blue. If you're not seeing blue highlights, then you are probably on "Legacy" mode, which will be fixed when I update Starship very soon.

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                                      sternn
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #22

                                      @Black-Square Hey not seeing that section, in msfs2024, the only tabs in accessibility are User interface, narration,n subtitles and effects, none of which have that option

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                                      • Black SquareB Black Square

                                        The flight model has nothing to do with the noise cancelation. There is an option in the Accessibility Settings to choose either "Legacy" or "Lock" as the interaction system. The "Legacy" mode shows more cursors and the "Lock" mode highlights the knobs/switches in blue. If you're not seeing blue highlights, then you are probably on "Legacy" mode, which will be fixed when I update Starship very soon.

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                                        sternn
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                                        #23

                                        @Black-Square Looking forward to it! Happy to send screenshots of the interface if that is useful but don't see those on 24, looking forward to utilizing the anc hopefully soon ;)

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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #24

                                          Sorry, in MSFS 2024, it's General -> Flight Interface-> Cockpit Interaction System.

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