Autopilot After SIM Update 14
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Hello. I was having issues with my GNS 530 not working. I installed the code as suggested above and this corrected the problem, although another issue has come up. I was about 1/2 into a 1 hour flight flying happily along the GPS flight plan when the aircraft suddenly went into a deep nosedive and crashed. Is this a known problem with a fix?
MSFS, C208 Caravan, BS analogue version, Windows 10/64.
Thanks for any help.
@Bigmary I'm glad you were able to fix your GNS problem. This fix will no longer be necessary after SU15, which should be released in two weeks. No, this does not sound like any issue we've ever had reported for any of my aircraft.
I'm happy to help, but that isn't much to go on. Were you able to disengage the autopilot? Did the controls in the cockpit depict a nose-down command, or was it aerodynamic in nature?
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Thanks for the reply. I must admit I was doing something else when the aircraft was flying on AP so I was not watching when it happened. Generator was on and lots of fuel so the engine did not shut down. I will fly this route again so see if the problem recurs, this time we me alert in the cockpit.
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Great question. I installed the update this morning, and the update manager overwrote the files, meaning that no further user action should be necessary. I found that the update did fix the problem, so if you are still having problems after the update, try renaming/removing/deleting the WT530B.js altogether. This will cause the update manager to download the latest version for certain.
Thank you, everyone, for waiting while Working Title sorted this out. Unfortunately, they did not have the resources to incorporate any of my numerous other fixes and improvements for the GNS that I supplied them with in SU15, but there is hope for the next sim update. I will keep you all posted.
@Black-Square said in Autopilot After SIM Update 14:
Thank you, everyone, for waiting while Working Title sorted this out. Unfortunately, they did not have the resources to incorporate any of my numerous other fixes and improvements for the GNS that I supplied them with in SU15, but there is hope for the next sim update. I will keep you all posted.
Hi Nick - Just wanted to confirm my understanding of this response. Does the above mean that some of the fixes that were provided a few months back still need to be made manually? I had made all of them at the time ( including the optional ones) and they seemed to have fixed things. However, I haven't flown much lately due to a new, non-simulated puppy who prefers to chew wires rather than watch me fly planes. (Perhaps you could add "maniac cockapoo" to the failure list so others could experience this unpredictable event).
Anyway - are some of the original edits still needed now after SU15?
Thanks!
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@ultradianguy I'm working on it. We'll hopefully have this up as a FAQ as soon as I've actually come up with some wording that makes it understandable without all the surrounding context from these threads.
@jmarkows primarily, but this may also help other people: Quick note from the other thread about your comment reference line numbering; I always recommend that people use Notepad++ for edits such as these (https://notepad-plus-plus.org/) - it's free, recognises many types of code by default and provides colouring and other feedback to show where there are problems in code if you make any mistakes. It also doesn't add command codes, null spaces and other things which Wordpad has an annoying tendency to do.
@Ian-P said in Autopilot After SIM Update 14:
@ultradianguy I'm working on it. We'll hopefully have this up as a FAQ as soon as I've actually come up with some wording that makes it understandable without all the surrounding context from these threads.
Hi Ian - related to my above question to Nick, if some edits are still needed after the last update, did you end up creating that FAQ? Or maybe it's moot after the update.
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Those are some very amusing circumstances, haha. Thank you for sharing. I have a friend who has recently be plagued by kittens with an affinity for wires as well.
Yes, believe it or not, we are all still waiting for the official fix from Working Title by way of Sim Update 15. As you may have heard, SU15 was supposed to release a week or two ago, but was delayed by Asobo. We don't have a firm date yet, except for "sometime in April".
As soon as SU15 is released, everyone can disregard this thread. Also, anyone on the SU15 Beta can disregard this thread.
Until then, if you are not on the SU15 beta, then all the changes above still need to be applied, unfortunately. I hope that answers your question. Always happy to help.
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Those are some very amusing circumstances, haha. Thank you for sharing. I have a friend who has recently be plagued by kittens with an affinity for wires as well.
Yes, believe it or not, we are all still waiting for the official fix from Working Title by way of Sim Update 15. As you may have heard, SU15 was supposed to release a week or two ago, but was delayed by Asobo. We don't have a firm date yet, except for "sometime in April".
As soon as SU15 is released, everyone can disregard this thread. Also, anyone on the SU15 Beta can disregard this thread.
Until then, if you are not on the SU15 beta, then all the changes above still need to be applied, unfortunately. I hope that answers your question. Always happy to help.
@Black-Square Thanks! I think my question was irrelevant now that I realize the update isn't out yet.
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I'm glad it's working for you guys. Sorry I didn't look into this problem myself even sooner. Trust me, it doesn't benefit me to have broken autopilots in any way, so I'm looking forward to an official fix from Working Title just as much as you are.
@Black-Square
Hello I saw your instructions on how to fix 530 and 430. I’m not very savvy when it comes to this. Can you please be a little more detailed on how to search for update loop? I don’t know how to find that. Thank you. I really want to fix my avionics on all my black square planes -
@michaelvillagran87 I did a little tuto on the msfs forum : https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/released-black-square-advanced-turbine-and-piston-dukes/601041/406?u=nikotin3420
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Thank you so much for making your tutorial, Nico! I've already linked a few users to it, and they've found it very helpful!
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you are welcome, it s always a pleasure to help ! :0)
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I am having the original autopilot problem even though we are now on SU15. The AP is engaged on heading mode but it’s not following the heading bug. If I move my flight stick the yoke in the sim moves the opposite direction until AP disengages and then the device and the sim yoke sync back up. I am using the premium pms50 gtn 750. What should I do to fix?
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got the same problem - AP is not following flight path whether its HDG mode or NAV mode. I need to switch it off and on for a couple of times and then aircraft starts to follow magenta line. There is something not right with AP in TBM850 although it is a great aircraft
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got the same problem - AP is not following flight path whether its HDG mode or NAV mode. I need to switch it off and on for a couple of times and then aircraft starts to follow magenta line. There is something not right with AP in TBM850 although it is a great aircraft
@szymek2392 well at least I’m not alone, thanks for letting me know. Was about to lose my mind.
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@boatmanmcgee no problem, I have also asked that on mfs forum https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/released-v-1-1-black-square-tbm-850/607459/1181?u=szymek231992 but so far no luck. I have also seen that people mention that they do have some issues (e.g yt videos, streams etc). I believe TBM 850 was left for a bit as devs focus mainly on duke
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Funny you should ask about the TBM, since I just returned to add the new Duke features to it today. Unfortunately, I've just spent the last few minutes trying to induce the behavior you're describing with no luck. Does this happen reliably enough that you would be able to send me a video of it happening?
The yoke moving in the opposite direction as your hardware input will happen in any MSFS aircraft, though. In a real aircraft, the autopilot servos apply torque to counteract the force you put on the yoke, but in the simulator, the only way it can counteract your input is by trying to displace the control surface in the opposite direction.
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I recalibrated my Vkb gunfighter stick and added a higher deadline and it is seemingly not happening any more. I wonder if it had something to do with the sensitivity of the stick and not much of a dead zone somehow messing with the autopilot.
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Hardware controls with potentiometers (as opposed to hall effect sensors) can sometimes suddenly go to full deflection, even when they are not being moved. Sometimes you can clean them just exercising them vigorously. I have to do this with the rotary controls on my Saitek X52 periodically, or else my mixture will suddenly roll back to zero.
Please let me know if you see this again, and try to catch a video, if you can. Thank you!
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I tested this issue once again, previously removing the TBM850 and PMS along with the path allowing PMS to function in this aircraft. After reinstalling, I observe the following:
If I arm the HDG or NAV mode before takeoff and engage the AP during the flight, the aircraft does not follow the autopilot mode (it looks like the ARM mode does not work? or maybe it is my incompetence, and this model of arming does not work in this kind of AP?). Unfortunately after that (even if I disconnect AP and restart modes) autopilot still remains unreactive and I need to switch it between modes for a couple of times to get it working.
If I engage the Autopilot after takeoff and then activate HDG or NAV, the aircraft seems to follow the path correctly. I have noticed this consistency (regardless of whether it's the 530 or GTN750). I will try to upload a video if you still cannot be able to replicate it.
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I tested this issue once again, previously removing the TBM850 and PMS along with the path allowing PMS to function in this aircraft. After reinstalling, I observe the following:
If I arm the HDG or NAV mode before takeoff and engage the AP during the flight, the aircraft does not follow the autopilot mode (it looks like the ARM mode does not work? or maybe it is my incompetence, and this model of arming does not work in this kind of AP?). Unfortunately after that (even if I disconnect AP and restart modes) autopilot still remains unreactive and I need to switch it between modes for a couple of times to get it working.
If I engage the Autopilot after takeoff and then activate HDG or NAV, the aircraft seems to follow the path correctly. I have noticed this consistency (regardless of whether it's the 530 or GTN750). I will try to upload a video if you still cannot be able to replicate it.
I have had issues with the NAV function not operating if you are too far off of the course with the PMS GPS. However, I have not had problems with the AP ever not functioning with HDG mode. ON takeoff, make sure that RED test light is NOT on in the lower right hand part of the AP panel. You have to wait for it to go out of test mode or it does not work. I just tested on the runway and engaged HDG and AP mode before I takeoff and it worked just fine after takeoff.
