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Having difficulty with VOR and ILS

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    lewisyang
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    Has anyone experienced the VOR or ILS track bar waving side to side with a station tuned? I've tried using the FMS panel or the nav panel to select frequencies, being at different distances, ect. It hasn't really helped and it seems to happen quite frequently. I'm sure I'm just doing something wrong, but can't figure out what. Thanks! 🙂

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      What you're describing may be VOR Signal Degradation. The response of VORs and ADFs in Black Square aircraft is the most realistic I've ever seen in a simulator - it reminds me very much of my RW flights.

      From the manual: All Steam Gauge Overhaul and Standalone Black Square aircraft solve this problem by providing variables for VOR and ADF indications with distance and height above terrain based signal attenuation and noise. This noise is mathematically accurate for the type of signal (phased VHF for VOR, and MF for NDB), and adheres to the international standards for station service volumes. Combined with the two-pole filtering and physics of the instrument’s needles in the cockpit, this creates a very convincing facsimile of the real world instrument’s behavior. The To-From indicators of the VOR instruments will even exhibit the fluttering that is characteristic of the “cone of confusion” directly over the ground-based stations that pilots are taught to recognize during instrument training.

      Have you turned the OBS knob until you centered the needle? Terrain and distance will also affect how stable the needle is.

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        What you're describing may be VOR Signal Degradation. The response of VORs and ADFs in Black Square aircraft is the most realistic I've ever seen in a simulator - it reminds me very much of my RW flights.

        From the manual: All Steam Gauge Overhaul and Standalone Black Square aircraft solve this problem by providing variables for VOR and ADF indications with distance and height above terrain based signal attenuation and noise. This noise is mathematically accurate for the type of signal (phased VHF for VOR, and MF for NDB), and adheres to the international standards for station service volumes. Combined with the two-pole filtering and physics of the instrument’s needles in the cockpit, this creates a very convincing facsimile of the real world instrument’s behavior. The To-From indicators of the VOR instruments will even exhibit the fluttering that is characteristic of the “cone of confusion” directly over the ground-based stations that pilots are taught to recognize during instrument training.

        Have you turned the OBS knob until you centered the needle? Terrain and distance will also affect how stable the needle is.

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        lewisyang
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        @CapVideo
        I initially thought so too; but I am having the same sort of degradation symptoms on short final with an ILS dialed in, or close in to a VOR station. Another thing that's been popping up is while using paired GNSS nav, the HSI track bar will randomly flip/disappear for half a second every few seconds. At the end of the day it doesn't seem to affect the FD very much, but these issues make raw data approaches pretty difficult.

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          CapVideo
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          Close in to a VOR is actually going to create a higher amount of deflection, but that shouldn't be the case with a LOC. Are the oscillations random or fairly constant?

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            Sunake
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            If you are on MSFS24 and SU4, that may be the problem. Try SU3

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              Close in to a VOR is actually going to create a higher amount of deflection, but that shouldn't be the case with a LOC. Are the oscillations random or fairly constant?

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              lewisyang
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              @CapVideo They seem quite random, but are fairly frequent with ILS still... Haven't gotten a chance the last bit but hoping to do more testing on it to find any common scenarios at least. Thanks! 🙂

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