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SID and STAR in CDU

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  • J jmarkows

    Not by name, no, which means the Starship cannot fly an RNP1 or less procedure if you fly by the book.

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    @jmarkows you can fly the RNP1 approaches but noch the SIDs and STARs. 😉

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    • MD82M MD82

      Digging up an old thread because I got back into the Starship after a few months. I was busy going over the equipment requirements again, to update my SimBrief profile. In short, if you're not using the GNS 430, but you accept the fact that your Starship has ONE GPS receiver:

      • You are not capable of RNAV10 or RNP4 remote or oceanic as this requires two independent Long Range Navigation Systems. The Starship has 2 FMC's, but they are linked to only ONE receiver. Hence, they are not independent. (There is a designated area where only one LRNS is sufficient)

      • Even though you meet all requirements for Terminal RNAV 1 SID's and STAR's, you can't accept one because it is not line-selectable from your FMS (FAA AC 90-100A 10. b. (3) "General Operating Procedures" pg. 13

      • You can fly an RNAV GPS approach down to LNAV minima, because you have a GPS receiver and the approach IS line-selectable from the database.

      • Due to having only one GPS receiver, NAT HLA is also not approved. (Except for the fact that you're not RNP4/RNAV10 qualified anyways).

      Cheers,

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      @MD82 @Mad_X Just to clarify, you can fly gnss sids and stars or any sids and stars that do not require RNAV1 or RNP 1 capability. Please correct me if I am misinterpreting. (I was not actually aware RNAV 1 SIDS and STARS could not be accepted when they are not line-selectable, @MD82 thank you).

      CPL MIFR 🍁

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        @MD82 @Mad_X Just to clarify, you can fly gnss sids and stars or any sids and stars that do not require RNAV1 or RNP 1 capability. Please correct me if I am misinterpreting. (I was not actually aware RNAV 1 SIDS and STARS could not be accepted when they are not line-selectable, @MD82 thank you).

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        @SadBucket it’s written somewhere in the FAA and EASA rules. The FAA ones were posted here somewhere and the EASA ones I would have to look up.

        But in EASAland I we don’t have any procedures that do not require this type of precision. Which makes sense as in the terminal area traffic is much more tightly packed and closer to cumulus granitus.

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          @SadBucket it’s written somewhere in the FAA and EASA rules. The FAA ones were posted here somewhere and the EASA ones I would have to look up.

          But in EASAland I we don’t have any procedures that do not require this type of precision. Which makes sense as in the terminal area traffic is much more tightly packed and closer to cumulus granitus.

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          @Mad_X Im from Canada and was told by my IFR instructor to enter sids and stars manually into the 430/530. Though many of our sids and stars appear to say "RNAV1 or GNSS required". Regardless very good to know as I thought I was fine to accept RNAV 1 with many of these older GPS units. I assume it may have to do with pre-programmed fly over waypoints vs fly by waypoints?...

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