Request: better navigation suite
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@SebAvi I am not arguing that (you are right, it is fun -- especially the circling approach there) and I completly understand your point. I just want don't want to engage in this discussion, as it will not lead anywhere
Nothing I whished for would take anything away from your experience, only improve mine.
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I'm not trying to discredit your request here OP, I understand you want more advanced navigation capabilities, perhaps you can try a different approach (pun intended) to starship.
There are a lot of general aviation aircraft that are being released today, most if not all with advanced navigation capabilities. The black square dukes with the GTN650/750 upgrade for example. And with so many addons being released with that capability, I kinda sometimes feel like it's the same old same.
Challenge yourself, fly starship all over the place without even the GNS430 installed and enjoy the plane for what it is. Flying to somewhere, then look for a non rnav 1 or 2 STAR, and fly it, if that somewhere only has RNP AR approaches? Go visual and enjoy the landscape. Need to do a hold or procedure turn, practice doing it yourself. Simming is not always about importing a flight plan, pressing control E and when in the air flick on the autopilot and go get something to eat and come back in time for landing. It's a great tool for understanding many things like the basics of navigating using VORs, practicing procedures, seeing what it was like flying things that no longer fly (like the fslabs concorde) It can be a very rewarding experience.
I guess what I'm trying to say is try not to he frustrated with the fact you don't have all the bells and whistles, but try to see it as a way to learn and improve your skills in the sim
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I think you’re assuming people use these RNAV approaches because of a skill issue. Personally I find flying visual trivially easy. The plane handles superbly, there is nothing difficult about it. I find there is way more to do during the flight when you need to manage the approaches and waypoints, and use all these computers correctly. I’ll fly the visual approaches on short fields that don’t have any real approaches, but it takes a backwater dirt strip to make that really interesting.
Also, when you want to finish your flight in zero visibility, that’s when you want those approaches to work.
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I think you’re assuming people use these RNAV approaches because of a skill issue. Personally I find flying visual trivially easy. The plane handles superbly, there is nothing difficult about it. I find there is way more to do during the flight when you need to manage the approaches and waypoints, and use all these computers correctly. I’ll fly the visual approaches on short fields that don’t have any real approaches, but it takes a backwater dirt strip to make that really interesting.
Also, when you want to finish your flight in zero visibility, that’s when you want those approaches to work.
@Marionettework said in Request: better navigation suite:
I think you’re assuming people use these RNAV approaches because of a skill issue. Personally I find flying visual trivially easy. The plane handles superbly, there is nothing difficult about it. I find there is way more to do during the flight when you need to manage the approaches and waypoints, and use all these computers correctly. I’ll fly the visual approaches on short fields that don’t have any real approaches, but it takes a backwater dirt strip to make that really interesting.
Also, when you want to finish your flight in zero visibility, that’s when you want those approaches to work.
No, I'm not saying it's a skill issue. I'm saying there can be a rewarding experience when you are challenged with not having all the creature comforts available to you. If you're flying to an airport that only has RNP AR the only option you have is to go visual, hoping that if there are clouds, you can get to a point where you can go visual in the first place.
And when the visibility drops to zero, then the challenge comes with making a decision, whether to hold and wait for weather improvement or divert! Part of the fun can also be in planning, seeing what the weather will be like and if you can go or not or choose another airport nearby with precision approaches.
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I also experienced that, for some reason, the GNS in the Starship is extremely buggy, while I didn't have any problem with any other 3rd party planes with it. It is a fitting way of modernization, especially that there are real world example of integrating it into Starship. I think most of us would be fine if it would work as expected.
I fly in Europe on Vatsim where you cannot really fly without RNAV sids/stars. It is not a "skill issue" like some refer to it, nearly all of the ground based navigation, except ILSes on major airports, are removed, gone. Sure you could ask for vectors, but that would introduce unnecessary work for everyone, instead of just joining the queue.
While I enjoy flying with retro navigation suite (and of course I didn't want unrealistic stuff to be integrated into it), at the same time I also like flying with ATC and it's really hard when the GNS is unusable. Yesterday I had the "not allowed" message multiple times when I tried to switch between the Collins and the GNS,
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@Marionettework said in Request: better navigation suite:
I think you’re assuming people use these RNAV approaches because of a skill issue. Personally I find flying visual trivially easy. The plane handles superbly, there is nothing difficult about it. I find there is way more to do during the flight when you need to manage the approaches and waypoints, and use all these computers correctly. I’ll fly the visual approaches on short fields that don’t have any real approaches, but it takes a backwater dirt strip to make that really interesting.
Also, when you want to finish your flight in zero visibility, that’s when you want those approaches to work.
No, I'm not saying it's a skill issue. I'm saying there can be a rewarding experience when you are challenged with not having all the creature comforts available to you. If you're flying to an airport that only has RNP AR the only option you have is to go visual, hoping that if there are clouds, you can get to a point where you can go visual in the first place.
And when the visibility drops to zero, then the challenge comes with making a decision, whether to hold and wait for weather improvement or divert! Part of the fun can also be in planning, seeing what the weather will be like and if you can go or not or choose another airport nearby with precision approaches.
@Sunake said in Request: better navigation suite:
@Marionettework said in Request: better navigation suite:
I think you’re assuming people use these RNAV approaches because of a skill issue. Personally I find flying visual trivially easy. The plane handles superbly, there is nothing difficult about it. I find there is way more to do during the flight when you need to manage the approaches and waypoints, and use all these computers correctly. I’ll fly the visual approaches on short fields that don’t have any real approaches, but it takes a backwater dirt strip to make that really interesting.
Also, when you want to finish your flight in zero visibility, that’s when you want those approaches to work.
No, I'm not saying it's a skill issue. I'm saying there can be a rewarding experience when you are challenged with not having all the creature comforts available to you. If you're flying to an airport that only has RNP AR the only option you have is to go visual, hoping that if there are clouds, you can get to a point where you can go visual in the first place.
And when the visibility drops to zero, then the challenge comes with making a decision, whether to hold and wait for weather improvement or divert! Part of the fun can also be in planning, seeing what the weather will be like and if you can go or not or choose another airport nearby with precision approaches.
I agree, it’s fun to do this, and it’s fun to have RNAV approaches supported too. And it will take away Nick’s time from other stuff temporarily, but worth it.
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Wait, there's a GNS430 in here?
Lol - I know its there but haven't touched it or felt the need to - VLF/Omega was gamechanging at the time and has worked extremely well for me with the exception of the few 'FMS deletes the active flight plan just before the IAF' issues I have experienced. Combined with VOR/ILS and ADF it's all I need.
I get the desire for combining new and shiny with cool quirky airframes, and could maybe see a GTN650 as being handy but there isn't any other location for a scabbed on box in such an integrated flight deck, this is exactly how stuff like this looks in real aircraft.
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Being on the edge of blasphemy accusation to those who wants to be able to load automatically route is also a little bit over the top (after all its not going to be mandatody).
I love GTN750 but would I like to have it in Strship ? No (many would like but its their own choice/opinion.
Lets see what Nick cooked first perhaps it will fulfill needs of majority, as you never can please all.
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I'm on the original setup as well. I have nearly finished my ferry from Wichita to Europe via the northern route, and have deselected the 430 from day one, as well as the GPS augmentation on the original system.
VATSIM is a bad excuse in my opinion. While I fly on IVAO, I have never ever had any issues flying classic aircraft with classic navigation methods online. I have flown over the pond with the A2A Stratocruiser navigating by stars and weatherships, flown the 707 with INS and radio navigation, and was never turned down by ATC. Sure working an aircraft which is unable for certain procedures increases workload on both sides (hold over...), but also the fun factor. Because it's different and not the same as other aircraft, packed in a different shell. On the Dukes I'm simulating a personal aircraft that has been updated to the latest avionics (and would love to get rid of this RNAV receiver).
For the Starship the original equipment is fantastic. Simbrief route import via floppy would be nice, but that's all.Of course, only my personal opinion.
