I'm onboard, when...
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Would you also consider adding the most popular add-on aircrafts? It would be nice to have a single package/vendor that lets most popular aircraft on VATSIM/IVAO be populated consistently in the simulator. A one stop shop for aircraft representation in the simulator makes sense from an end-user perspective. Maybe it could be sold as an extra package? As an example: DC-3, DC-6, JU-52, Staggerwing, Dash 6, A310, BAe 146/Avro and the new updated aircrafts in the AAU1-update.
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@gunstrauss said in I'm onboard, when...:
Would you also consider adding the most popular add-on aircrafts? It would be nice to have a single package/vendor that lets most popular aircraft on VATSIM/IVAO be populated consistently in the simulator. A one stop shop for aircraft representation in the simulator makes sense from an end-user perspective. Maybe it could be sold as an extra package? As an example: DC-3, DC-6, JU-52, Staggerwing, Dash 6, A310, BAe 146/Avro and the new updated aircrafts in the AAU1-update.
Not sure how we could add these sorts of aircraft. There will be no schedules published for them so one would need to include some kind of historic flight database. It has been tried before but without much success. We have included military flights in the past but that wasn't possible with Traffic Global due to limitations in P3D. It may be something we look into for MSFS in the future.
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There are two types of uses for this kind of add-ons, one is to get good online representations in VATSIM/IVAO, the other is to get some exotic variation at different airports and fields. Less important though. I guess some googling will let you find information on where flying examples are located. And maybe some random flights could be made based on historic data around those airfields? I understand this may not be top priority, but it could be gold for online flyers to have good representation of the most popular aircrafts in the online skies.
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@gunstrauss said in I'm onboard, when...:
There are two types of uses for this kind of add-ons, one is to get good online representations in VATSIM/IVAO, the other is to get some exotic variation at different airports and fields. Less important though. I guess some googling will let you find information on where flying examples are located. And maybe some random flights could be made based on historic data around those airfields? I understand this may not be top priority, but it could be gold for online flyers to have good representation of the most popular aircrafts in the online skies.
It's really tricky. There are two ways of doing this (well, three, sort of). You can use real world data - live or historic and a database will say, for example, that there is a flight at 9am, using a 737, going from London to Paris. Assuming there is a 737 in the correct livery that flight will take place. Alternatively, you can write something that approximates the flights using some sort of logic - ideal for Cargo or Military for example - but that is going to be less realistic. You can make sure that cargo 747s don't try to land at Little Gransden and that Cessnas don't appear at Heathrow. However... where does the Ju52 operate from? What times of the day and where? You can simulate warbirds doing odd flights on Sundays at Duxford, but you can't have them landing at LHR on a Tuesday.
This is why this got such a lukewarm reception last time we tried. It never got past beta testing. It may be possible to come up with a 'vintage flights' type of add-on, but my worry would be would the cost of doing it not outstrip the revenue? Food fr thought, certainly. -
@gunstrauss said in I'm onboard, when...:
A smaller Dash8, for Widerøe flights in northern Norway
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DHL/FedEx/UPS/Cargolux/Qatar Airways Cargo/Emirates Cargo -routes and liveriesJust wanted to add my vote :) Looking forward to buy the package in the future.
There are some cargo routes and Qatar, Emirates, Cargolux, but you have to put in repaints manually. Wideroe has most of their routes on old flight plans but only a Q400 repaint with the FS Traffic package.
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@twentyfivehundred Yes, but a Q400 is too large for most airports Widerøe fly to.
@Derek @voice-of-reason Are you going to curate and distribute liveries done by the community somehow? Would be great if possible.
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@gunstrauss said in I'm onboard, when...:
@twentyfivehundred Yes, but a Q400 is too large for most airports Widerøe fly to.
@Derek @voice-of-reason Are you going to curate and distribute liveries done by the community somehow? Would be great if possible.
Use AI from other traffic packages. FSLTL has a DH8C WIF repaint.
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@derek "However... where does the Ju52 operate from?"
As an example, I know that there is a DC-3 Dakota at Sandefjord Torp ENTO that flies in the spring and summer. However, after a small google search, it actually seems like the group that operated the JU-52 flights I knew of, warned this august that they might not ble able to continue due to new regulations. So I agree that it seems difficult to make realistic routes for these kind of planes. Never the less, I still belive it makes sense for FS Traffic to balance the package so that you get the most popular aircraft in the simulator represented for online use. Just Flights own Bae 146/Avro would be nice to have?
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@twentyfivehundred Thanks fot the input, but I've yet spent less than 100 hours in MSFS, so waiting to start with any traffic until there is a single package that fits most of my 'needs'. As I still have a lot of learning to do in regards to basic navigation and operation of the more advanced jets. Even without traffic and with a powerful computer, there are a lot of performance and compatibility conflicts, so I'll try to keep the simulator as clean as possible. Looking forward to FS Traffic as a one-stop shop for AI and VATSIM traffic.
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@gunstrauss said in I'm onboard, when...:
@derek "However... where does the Ju52 operate from?"
Just Flights own Bae 146/Avro would be nice to have?
But it would need to be on a scheduled flight and, as there are so few such flights the only solution would be extremely limited operation (which wouldn't justify the cost) or fake flights, which would then interfere with the majority of users.
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Mahan Air, and you would also find an excuse for getting the A310 represented? :) Anyways, personally, would not mind to pay for an extended package that included popular 3rd-party aircraft, that may not have a lot of routes in the simulated world, but it may not be a big market...? However, FS Traffic will probably be a product all serious VATSIM/IVAO users would like buy, due to the quality of the livery and models itself? Once the product gets a few updates, have you considered running a campaign with VATSIM / IVAO?
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What do you mean by a campaign? A sales campaign?
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@Derek yes, as the new simulator is so extremely good graphic wise, I would guess professionally made aircrafts for traffic is the only way to get the performance and consistent quality the simulator lay ground for. I just mentioned this with a sales campaign, as an idea, I don't expect any further discussion on the subject, but personally, a product like FS Traffic is what I've been waiting for before taking up online flying again (flew a bit online back in the FSX days): A professionally maintained database of high quality, high performance aircrafts.
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When I wrote my initial post, I did not understand how many issues the system (MSFS or FS Traffic) had with the traffic itself. I'll buy the package according to the first 'encouragement'. But a nice traffic package for my part, aside from the model library, would be 'something that lives its own life'. I would not like to specify where I'm headed or restart the simulator for every flight, and would expect proper en-route traffic at correct flight levels during a flight, and a proper traffic pattern where ever I would land.
Hope there is direct dialog with MSFS/Asobo to improve the system?
Another issue with the simulator itself, that adds a lot of stress for the end user, is the lack of a 'static aircraft' switch in the options menu. If one wants to fly without traffic, the 'static aircraft' that many developers add make the airports look great and feel live enough and add atmosphere. Ideally I would just like a switch to turn on and off traffic, and not needing to think more about it. Hence pay Just Flight a decent amount for the traffic product, and spend my time flying in the simulator. Just some thoughts from an end user.
