Unable to control landing gear with Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant
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@retiredman93231
As I said the Bravo gear control works perfectly with the Beechcraft G36 using GEAR UP and GEAR down command variables. So that would indicate that there are no other conflicting assignments. I have also searched as you suggest to confirm that no other controllers have landing gear command assignments. The issue seems to be with my Arrows. When using those command variables the Arrow's gear appears to be stuck in the down position. The gear does cycle in response to the TOGGLE LANDING GEAR command variable which would not be the case if something else was holding the gear down. It looks like there is just no response to the GEAR UP command. Very strange! I am thinking of trying a re-install on the Arrow to see if this issue persists. -
@sdvpilot Very strange indeed! I think a reinstall is worth a try... You might want to even re-download it as well, just to be sure you have the latest version, and it wasn't corrupted during the previous download.
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@RetiredMan93231
I was thinking the.same because I only recently acquired the Bravo. Previously I used the desktop aviators landing gear panel. with FSUIPC7 and the GEAR TOGGLE command. -
@sdvpilot If you wait a few days to re-download and re-install it, JF might release their long awaited update... I think they are very close now, and they might be just waiting for SU7 to drop this week, to be sure that nothing else breaks after that update.
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@RetiredMan93231
Yes I was debating with myself about holding off until the next Arrow update. And who knows what SU7 will bring to the table. Don' t know if you are interested but I have been looking to expand the capabilities of the Bravo to make use of the right side adjustmen knob to operate as many virtual knobs as possible. I just added my post to https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/taking-the-honeycomb-bravo-to-the-next-level-advanced-configs/379768/20?u=sdmaxpilot -
@retiredman93231
I found the same strange behavior after downloading and. re-installing the Arrow III. With further testing I was able to determine that it simply does no respond to the GEAR UP command variable while it does respond to GEAR DOWN. So if I raise the Bravo gear control I can only raise the gear via. the mouse in the virtual cockpit. However once the gear is up it can be lowered by lowering the Bravo gear control.
For now I will just continue to use my Desktop Aviator Landing Gear Panel with FSUIPC7 issuing GEAR TOGGLE commands to the simulator. I like the feel of it better than the gear handle on the Bravo anyway. -
@sdvpilot said in Unable to control landing gear with Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant:
I found the same strange behavior after downloading and. re-installing the Arrow III. With further testing I was able to determine that it simply does no respond to the GEAR UP command variable while it does respond to GEAR DOWN. So if I raise the Bravo gear control I can only raise the gear via. the mouse in the virtual cockpit. However once the gear is up it can be lowered by lowering the Bravo gear control.
As a work around, you could try assigning GEAR DOWN to the down position and GEAR TOGGLE to the up position... But, something is definitely wrong with your ssytem, since the default Gear Up/Down assignments work OK on my system, and I suspect on many others based on the absence of more complaints from other users.
I have seen some really strange bugs appear from conflicts with mods in the Community folder... Have you tried temporarily moving absolutely everything except this aircraft from the Community folder to a backup desktop folder, to completely eliminate that possibility?
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Fellow bravo user here, no problems. Either in spad using gear up/down or through the sim.
I would suggest triple checking you settings. Literally today out of nowhere, my landing light was stuck in an on position. Found that in the sim under my custom bravo profile, which is supposed to be completely empty, had landing lights assigned to one of the switches. I know I didn't put it there. Not the first time things have spontaneously appeared in there lol.
Another option...you may have a flaky switch. I've had my bravo for almost a year now and had 2 switches that were acting odd. And I swore up and down it was the plane, as when I jumped into another, it was fine. I tend to spend most time in one plane for long stretches, so when it worked in another, it has to be the plane right? This went on for a month or two till it finally happened in a different plane. After squirting some contact cleaner in the switches they're fine now.
Try assigning the gear to one of the switches instead of the gear lever and see what happens.
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@RetiredMan93231
By lowering the gear with the mouse and assigning another known working Bravo switch to the GEAR UP command I think I have established thar the Arrow is just not responding to the GEAR UP command for some strange reason. I also assigned the Bravo GEAR up switch to the gear down command while raising the GEAR with the mouse to confirm that that switch works. I will try eliminating all other addons from my community folder leaving only the Arrow III. -
@retiredman93231
Just emptied the community folder except for the Arrow Iii. Again there was no response to the GEAR UP command. assigned by. any known working Bravo switch. -
@sdvpilot Do a "Search By Name" for GEAR DOWN" and for "GEAR" to see a full list of all mappings for this command. And also do it for all of your other controllers... Something must be preventing the GEAR UP command from working??
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@retiredman93231 Verified that no other switches from any other controllers are assigning the GEAR UP command. Also verified that there is no response to the GEAR IP command when it is assigned from a switch on another controller while the GEAR DOWN command does work from that same controller switch.
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@retiredman93231
Thanks I now see the notification in my email. I have run out of time for now but look forward to trying out the updates. I did also verify that only my 3 Arrows refused to respond to the GEAR UP command. Every other RG aircraft responded as expected. I am surprised they would release the update just before SU7 unless the just want to see what happens. -
@retiredman93231
I am stumped. I am experiencing the same issue with the Arrow not responding to the GEAR UP command variable with the new update. I simplified things as much as possible by removing everything but the Arrow Iii from my community folder and only powering up one controller with only one known working switch assigned to GEAR UP. The gear could be raised up or down with the mouse. However once down it could not be raised up by the assigned switch. Why this is happening strictly with the JF Arrow is truly bafflling! I really do not want to mess with my Official folder to see if there is some weird conflict there nor am I about to re-
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@sdvpilot There is one more thing that just occured to me that you should check... There is a Emergency Gear Down switch located between the seats, next to the flap handle. It is a three position switch, with the full Up position being the Normal position. The full Up position disables the automatic emergency gear extension system, and will cause the yellow light above the gear status lights to blink constantly. The Middle position enables the automatic gear extension system and will make the yellow light go out, while also allowing normal gear operation using the Gear lever. The full Down position of this switch will lower the gear by releasing the hydraulic pressure, and they will then stay down regardless of the Gear lever postion... which is the behavior you are seeing!
If that doesn't work, the only thing I can recommend is to open a support ticket with JF and see if they can figure it out.
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@sdvpilot I just looked at your posting above regarding expanding the Bravo functionality, and I noticed that you are using many unusual multiple command assignments... are you using this non-standard configuration while having these landing gear problems?? If so, I recommend that you revert the BRAVO back to the basic default standard command assignment configuration, and then test the landing gear lever commands again. These non-standard multiple command assignments might not be compatible with the JF Arrows.
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@retiredman93231
Thanks for that thought but I have pretty much found that nothing is keeping the gear down. With no gear assignment I can raise or lower the gear with the mouse. However with only the mouse lowering the gear it refuses to respond to a switch assigned to the gear up command. On the other hand if I raise the gear with the mouse and assign gear down to the same switch the gear responds accordingly. Only my Arrows behave this way.
I am waiting to see what SU7 brings to the table before submitting a ticket to Just Flight. -
@retiredman93231
I thought of the possibility of the other complex bindings possibly contributing to this behavior. So as I mentioned in my last reply yesterday this behavior persists with the Bravo and all but one other simple controller with a single two position switch powered down. I will have to check that circuit breaker though. Wouldn't it be nice if it was just that simple!!Getting back to the Arrow after installing SU7 I had another idea of what might keeping the gear lever in the cockpit from moving in response to the GEAR UP command variable. It was because I was parked on the ground! It was that simple!
On all my other RG aircraft the gear lever in the cockpit would move up and down in response to GEAR UP and GEAR DOWN commands even while sitting on the ground, and that became my lazy man test to see that the switch assignments were correct without taking the time to taxi and actually takeoff. That does not
work with Arrows! Once off the ground the cockpit gear lever goes up and the gear retracts in response GEAR UP command as expected.
However I do not believe this behavior is truly realistic. I do not recall anything preventing the gear handle in the RL Arrow from being raised to the gear up position while on the ground. It is the squat switch is that prevents gear retraction on the ground in that aircraft, not the gear handle itself. I have read that some aircraft may actually have a mechanical linkage preventing the gear handle from being raised into the gear up position. But not the Arrow.
