747 Classic Progress
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@bodom said in 747 Classic Progress:
A market cannot "disappear" within few weeks.
It normally takes about three months. Much depends on whether titles can be quickly converted to work in the new sim. People will buy 'old' software if they know it will be updated to work in the new version. That was not the case with MSFS - unlike everything from FS95 onwards. So, MSFS owners didn't buy any FSX/P3D titles and the market vanished. Our experience was mirrored by other FS publishers that we work with. Feel free to postulate your own theories, but those are the facts. Yes, the team changed, but that was irrelevant once MSFS arrived. The cost to release was in excess of the potential sales. Simple.
Sorry but you dish out the same sorry excuses,. Your team couldn’t produce a quality 747 Classic add-on for a genuine flight simulator platform. And you simply use the MSFS ‘sales’ pitch since that platform mostly caters to visual mediocre releases which the x-box crowd love. And you’ll make money from that. Hello Captain Sim.
Good for you and your bank account. But no one will take it seriously. If it actually does get released.
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Sorry but you dish out the same sorry excuses,. Your team couldn’t produce a quality 747 Classic add-on for a genuine flight simulator platform. And you simply use the MSFS ‘sales’ pitch since that platform mostly caters to visual mediocre releases which the x-box crowd love. And you’ll make money from that. Hello Captain Sim.
Good for you and your bank account. But no one will take it seriously. If it actually does get released.
@ruddman said in 747 Classic Progress:
But no one will take it seriously. If it actually does get released.
Not true. I will. :slightly_smiling_face:
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@ruddman said in 747 Classic Progress:
If the P3D version would've been a flop.
We have been in the FS business for over 25 years. When sales of an existing title go from 50 a month to 2 a month you don't have to ask Warren Buffet to know when a market has collapsed.
if producing one for a mickey mouse 'flight simulator' is worth it.
It certainly is. All those kids on their X-Stations and Playboxes are gagging for one. We might even put extra engines on it and do some 'what if' missions to the PMDG Moonbase Alpha.
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@derek said in 747 Classic Progress:
@ruddman said in 747 Classic Progress:
I wonder if MSFS was never an option if it had’ve been released for P3D by now?
Of course. If MSFS had not been released there would more than likely still be a significant market for P3D software. As it stands, no such market exists - it disappeared within weeks - which is why we had to cancel the 747 and A300.
What you write is absolute nonsense. Yes, the market disappeared for UK because of their chaotic leave of the European Communuity :beaming_face_with_smiling_eyes:
A market cannot "disappear" within few weeks. You had to cancel the product because the P3D version was far from completion yet, triggered by the developer team change... Second reason was a bad product maangement within JustFlight.
MSFS is not a simulator, it is a game. I bought Xplane12 and the Felis Classic 747 which is on study level niveau. I recommand to everybody here, espaecially @ruddman to do the same. It is worthwhile.
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@ruddman said in 747 Classic Progress:
But no one will take it seriously. If it actually does get released.
Not true. I will. :slightly_smiling_face:
Agreed.
I admit that I get frustrated sometimes with the ticket system here... hey, I was banned for a week (!)... but JF aircraft get better all the time.
If this guy tried the BAe 146, he wouldn't be criticising the "not yet released" 747-200.
The BAe is pretty darn good... and will be EVEN better once the original FMS/UNS 'thingey' is released.
Really hands on stuff... as will be the 747 Classic.
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@ruddman said in 747 Classic Progress:
But no one will take it seriously. If it actually does get released.
Not true. I will. :slightly_smiling_face:
Some of us prefer quality simulators. Some of us dont. :)
And if its in MSFS, it wont be quality. :)
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Some of us prefer quality simulators. Some of us dont. :)
And if its in MSFS, it wont be quality. :)
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@ruddman Its funny, I have seen more and more real world pilots (airliner and GA) saying they prefer MSFS over X-plane and P3D. So Asobo must be doing something right.
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I take anything 'real world pilots' say on a social media site. I watched one pilot that said MSFS was the best....because of the graphics. LOL.
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@rafaelhgk said in 747 Classic Progress:
Hello! Are there any screenshots or even a video of this project?
Tks
RafaelThe only images we have were of the P3D version, which was cancelled. Nothing new since then, I am afraid.
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There was a statement from Just Flight during a FSElite interview that there would be news about the 747 project „quite soon and hopefully during the expo“. That was three months ago.
Do you have any news regarding the status or future of the project?@hewi said in 747 Classic Progress:
There was a statement from Just Flight during a FSElite interview that there would be news about the 747 project „quite soon and hopefully during the expo“. That was three months ago.
Do you have any news regarding the status or future of the project?No. Not at the moment. There should be news about this project at some point, but, currently, nothing to report.
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Some of us prefer quality simulators. Some of us dont. :)
And if its in MSFS, it wont be quality. :)
@Ruddman said in 747 Classic Progress:
Some of us prefer quality simulators. Some of us dont. :)
And if its in MSFS, it wont be quality. :)
Dude you’re such a clown. I’m a real world ATP with types in the B1900, ATR, A320, and 747-400. Not a single Level-D full motion simulator (which costs $20+ million) which is FAA certified as a 1-to-1 substitute for the real airplane behaves like real life. You can’t fly a Level-D like the real thing, or try to land it as such. MSFS is a quality product and provides superior realism in so many ways compared to what commercial operators use for training and proficiency. If you rented an airline sim you’d be very disappointed, beyond having the exact cockpit replica. Theres no consumer simulator that’s ever going to be perfect, but a ‘study-level’ product which completely reproduces how the real airplane operates like the JF’s 146, or any PMDG or Fenix product is a screaming bargain at under $100. Sure, MSFS has certain quirks, but like I said the Level-D sims have many of the same oddities, and are often harder to land ‘realistically’ (depends on the type). And frankly, most real world pilots never see an engine failure or anything red procedure in a whole career. Devs like JF could leave out all failure modeling and it would still be realistic.
So yeah, I’m really looking forward to seeing the 747 Classic in MSFS because it’s going to be more than good enough. Better than spending millions to find a 747-100, return it to airworthiness, find a crew, and pay for the gas to go fly the thing around for the novelty of it
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I hate this false perception a lot of P3D users desperately clinging to the sim have that MSFS is this game with no actual sim value, when that’s a far cry from the truth. There may be some dumbing down for some products for Xbox users, but almost universally developers are going for even higher quality products than for P3D. P3D is a dying sim, justifiably so, built on ancient code, and any development groups continuing to develop for it are holding themselves back. I for one cannot wait for the 747 in MSFS, especially seeing the marked quality difference between the A300 planned for P3D, and the A300 currently in development for MSFS. The bar has been raised significantly, and I’m very happy to see it.
