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Aspen Evolution PFD on BS aircrafs installed by me. (Implementation test)

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  • Black SquareB Black Square

    @SliderCDN I don't want to turn this into a real world aviation economics conversation, but I have routinely seen those (much luckier than I) spend $150k on a panel redesign for an airframe otherwise worth $150k. A complete panel redesign for a G1000 Nxi and autopilot in a 70's or 60's era piston twin can be expected to cost $100-150k including parts, fabrication, and labor. Many such aircraft are worth a similar amount or less (including their currently installed avionics) due to rising maintenance and insurance costs. For instance, the average cost of an Aztec with conventional avionics on Trade-a-Plane right now is $120k, and $160k for a C310. Of course, more modern airframes will be different, but it certainly doesn't have to be a trashed C150.

    My apologies. I know this has relatively little to do with the workload of adding new avionics to my aircraft, except the number of systems and 3D models that must change), but I had to speak to what I've seen in the real world.

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    SliderCDN
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    @Black-Square said in Aspen Evolution PFD on BS aircrafs installed by me. (Implementation test):

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    The range of numbers is huge. Also heavily depends on part of the world. US is cheapest in that regard.

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    • Black SquareB Black Square

      @SliderCDN I don't want to turn this into a real world aviation economics conversation, but I have routinely seen those (much luckier than I) spend $150k on a panel redesign for an airframe otherwise worth $150k. A complete panel redesign for a G1000 Nxi and autopilot in a 70's or 60's era piston twin can be expected to cost $100-150k including parts, fabrication, and labor. Many such aircraft are worth a similar amount or less (including their currently installed avionics) due to rising maintenance and insurance costs. For instance, the average cost of an Aztec with conventional avionics on Trade-a-Plane right now is $120k, and $160k for a C310. Of course, more modern airframes will be different, but it certainly doesn't have to be a trashed C150.

      My apologies. I know this has relatively little to do with the workload of adding new avionics to my aircraft, except the number of systems and 3D models that must change), but I had to speak to what I've seen in the real world.

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      @Black-Square said in Aspen Evolution PFD on BS aircrafs installed by me. (Implementation test):

      @SliderCDN I don't want to turn this into a real world aviation economics conversation, but I have routinely seen those (much luckier than I) spend $150k on a panel redesign for an airframe otherwise worth $150k. A complete panel redesign for a G1000 Nxi and autopilot in a 70's or 60's era piston twin can be expected to cost $100-150k including parts, fabrication, and labor. Many such aircraft are worth a similar amount or less (including their currently installed avionics) due to rising maintenance and insurance costs. For instance, the average cost of an Aztec with conventional avionics on Trade-a-Plane right now is $120k, and $160k for a C310. Of course, more modern airframes will be different, but it certainly doesn't have to be a trashed C150.

      My apologies. I know this has relatively little to do with the workload of adding new avionics to my aircraft, except the number of systems and 3D models that must change), but I had to speak to what I've seen in the real world.

      Oh absolutely in a twin but I question those that are going out and buying a piston twin these days. Beech just ended the Baron line (they said they will offer support but for how long), Cessna doesnt have a twin, Piper has the little Seneca and I think that's about it. There just is not a lot of support for them anymore. When I started line service in 2006 you'd see 414's and 310's and Barons and everything in between. Nowadays if a Navajo shows up its like "holy shit, check out this relic"

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        You forgot Diamond's products. They're going strong. All depends what you need to do. Twins offer peace of mind, but many singles offer similar performance in that smaller cabin segment or get a TBM if you want proper performance with 6 people.

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          Amazing work! It would be great if we could choose between the analog panel, Aspen, or G3X, just like we can currently switch between the different GPS options. I can't wait for this mod to be released!

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            Kestrel21
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            I would say out of the 107 Bonanza's and Barons my FBO hosted last week, 97 percent of them had a variation of above. I'm really looking forward to this and much thanks to Black Square for being so engaging with the modders and much thanks to the modders for having the skill set to bring this kind of glass to life!

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              commander_aspen.PNG

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                Truffoff
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                Amazing! Do you have a timeframe for when the add-on will be released?

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                  Amazing! Do you have a timeframe for when the add-on will be released?

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                  jerrivel
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                  @Truffoff Not yet, but its only missing AOA display and GPSS and a few background stuff.

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                    @Truffoff Not yet, but its only missing AOA display and GPSS and a few background stuff.

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                    Skrelk
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                    @jerrivel can't wait to fly the baron with this!

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                      Waiting for this and the hopeful possibility of a g3x for my bonanza

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                        09tir98
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                        This looks awesome! Would love to see it on the Caravan

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                          Appologies as this isn't blacksquare related. But would this it be possible to add these Avionics into other aircraft.. Let's say the JustFlight Vulcan? Would make it a rather cool IFR aircraft πŸ€”

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                          • McOatmealM McOatmeal

                            This is so cool!!! I wonder how difficult it would be to implement a G3X, or a G1000 suite into his aircraft. They have so much G1000 hardware on the market but no Black Square level planes. Just ordered a set myself actually. As wrong as that sounds I really think with the Hardware on the market and the great work done by WT he really needs to add or someone should help him add the Garmin Glass as an option for his future aircraft. For home cockpit builders and IRL practice it would be a godsend.

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                            Mad_X
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                            @McOatmeal G1000 is a very very very different beast.

                            There is no addon plane that remotely covers all of its functions. You would have create a plethora of custom pages for each plane.

                            Also the G1000 is notoriously clunky in the sim environment. I much rather have a GTN and G3 setup. Although the G3 is limited to simple GA planes. The TBM is already out of the scope. Turbine duke I don’t know.

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                              @Black-Square @jerrivel

                              I leave this here for future king air consideration. πŸ™ƒπŸ˜‰
                              I think I can speak for everybody that we would love this to be a fruitful collaboration.

                              This gauge would be a great fit for Nicks fleet.

                              image.jpeg

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                                Appologies as this isn't blacksquare related. But would this it be possible to add these Avionics into other aircraft.. Let's say the JustFlight Vulcan? Would make it a rather cool IFR aircraft πŸ€”

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                                @hazzer111 piper1.PNG comanche_aspen41.PNG Yes it is. I publish only the BS ones since this a BS forum, but I have many other aircrafts with it.

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                                • jerrivelJ jerrivel

                                  @hazzer111 piper1.PNG comanche_aspen41.PNG Yes it is. I publish only the BS ones since this a BS forum, but I have many other aircrafts with it.

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                                  @jerrivel who are you?!? And what have you done!?!

                                  🀯

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                                    @Black-Square @jerrivel

                                    I leave this here for future king air consideration. πŸ™ƒπŸ˜‰
                                    I think I can speak for everybody that we would love this to be a fruitful collaboration.

                                    This gauge would be a great fit for Nicks fleet.

                                    image.jpeg

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                                    @Mad_X Definitely. I simulated many of the applicable configuration that can be set on the config menu of the real aspen. Even for aircraft that use Vmo like the King Air. It will not be constrain to a specific group of aircraft.

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                                      Just to make this clear you simulate the whole
                                      EVOLUTION 1000C3
                                      and
                                      1000MFD?

                                      Will it be free or payware?

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                                        Just to make this clear you simulate the whole
                                        EVOLUTION 1000C3
                                        and
                                        1000MFD?

                                        Will it be free or payware?

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                                        @Mad_X not the MFD. The C3 is more of a certification thing, but the software logic is the same as the regular Aspen. It will be payware.

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                                          Any ETA and price range?
                                          If it is feature complete, well supported and, crucially, fully integrated by Nick (means an integral part of the full systems simulation, model, cockpit logic etc) I definitely will be a customer.

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