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Request for Improvement Aimed at Strengthening the Glass Effect on Instruments and the Reflection of the Glass Effect’s Reflections

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    ploodovic
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    I’d take usability over perceived realism every time.

    I still remember how it was before the Starship got its 2024 update in the marketplace. The 2020 version in MSFS2024 made it practically impossible to fly at daytime. No, thanks.

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      jmarkows
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      Please do not change anything related to the current glass effects in your product releases.

      Especially when there is no increase in visual fidelity when doing so, just adding unrealistic jank.

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        stuart11n
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        Less skybox / it should have the same treatment as the other 2024 BKSQ aircraft...

        Reflections are all well and dandy and do add immersion (albeit inaccurate) until I can't shade it with my hand. In VR that's instantly immersion breaking.

        A little bit of grime around the edges of the glass where it would naturally gather and be hard to clean IRL is nice but the lack of this does not bother me. Fingerprints that are always in the same place and pasted across different instruments are a little silly to me.

        (As an aside: the A6M5 Zero from BBS has nice reflections, it works really well because the glass is actually concave so the reflective is needed to convey the geometry and looks rather pretty and jewel like. Also, being concave means the the reflection is far less likely to impair instrument visibility - also back in the day they didn't have anti-reflective coating...).

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          I agree with the above - usability over looks in this case - unless you can make it optional.

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            Please do not change anything related to the current glass effects in your product releases.

            Especially when there is no increase in visual fidelity when doing so, just adding unrealistic jank.

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            Galf
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            @jmarkows I do think the reflectivity needs to be increased, but we're talking a mild increase. Right now having the sunlight hit directly on the glass has almost no impact, which isn't realistic. Having difficulties reading the instruments in certain lighting conditions IS realistic.

            I don't think it should take priority over anything else.

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              @jmarkows I do think the reflectivity needs to be increased, but we're talking a mild increase. Right now having the sunlight hit directly on the glass has almost no impact, which isn't realistic. Having difficulties reading the instruments in certain lighting conditions IS realistic.

              I don't think it should take priority over anything else.

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              @Galf As noted above, though, we have no way to shield them if visibility becomes an issue.

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                I’d take usability over perceived realism every time.

                I still remember how it was before the Starship got its 2024 update in the marketplace. The 2020 version in MSFS2024 made it practically impossible to fly at daytime. No, thanks.

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                batkizoltan
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                @ploodovic The glass effect shown in the attached image is catastrophic. In fact, I wouldn’t even call this a glass effect anymore — it looks more like a dirty, blotchy, and smeared surface. Obviously, no one wants this kind of glass effect.

                Personally, as the person who started this forum thread, all I want is a well-defined, visually noticeable, and properly pronounced glass effect on the instruments—one that is completely free of any spots or scratches, enhances the overall look of the cockpit and instruments, and makes them appear more realistic.

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                  "Makes them appear more realistic."

                  "Completely free of any spots or scratches."

                  What an incredible lack of self-awareness. Also, stop using the word realistic, even Nick has come in and said the effect you want is not like any aircraft he's ever flown.

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                    @kityatyi said in Request for Improvement Aimed at Strengthening the Glass Effect on Instruments and the Reflection of the Glass Effect’s Reflections:

                    @Rhinozherous said in Request for Improvement Aimed at Strengthening the Glass Effect on Instruments and the Reflection of the Glass Effect’s Reflections:

                    @batkizoltan In my opinion, your attitude needs an urgent fix by the developer...

                    There is nothing wrong with his attitude. He expressed his opinion politely - and raised valid points. The glass effect is substandard; he's not the only one who noticed it. What exactly is your problem with his attitude? Please elaborate.

                    "This is a critical issue that should not be delayed — it requires immediate attention from the developer, and a proper solution needs to be implemented. In its current state, this cannot remain as it is."

                    This is not a critical issue (the aircraft and its features work as intended) and he is not the one setting the tasks for the dev.
                    Adding words of respect does not magically change a childish demand into a polite question.

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                    @Rhinozherous said in Request for Improvement Aimed at Strengthening the Glass Effect on Instruments and the Reflection of the Glass Effect’s Reflections:

                    @kityatyi said in Request for Improvement Aimed at Strengthening the Glass Effect on Instruments and the Reflection of the Glass Effect’s Reflections:

                    @Rhinozherous said in Request for Improvement Aimed at Strengthening the Glass Effect on Instruments and the Reflection of the Glass Effect’s Reflections:

                    @batkizoltan In my opinion, your attitude needs an urgent fix by the developer...

                    There is nothing wrong with his attitude. He expressed his opinion politely - and raised valid points. The glass effect is substandard; he's not the only one who noticed it. What exactly is your problem with his attitude? Please elaborate.

                    "This is a critical issue that should not be delayed — it requires immediate attention from the developer, and a proper solution needs to be implemented. In its current state, this cannot remain as it is."

                    This is not a critical issue (the aircraft and its features work as intended) and he is not the one setting the tasks for the dev.
                    Adding words of respect does not magically change a childish demand into a polite question.

                    What if the intention was not to please the audience, but rather to get a point across clearly and concisely?

                    Maybe "this" is not a critical issue for you, but please do not speak on my behalf, and also it certainly is a critical issue for him, and may well be for others. Besides, the purpose of the forum is to communicate - among other things - concerns.

                    Worrying about "setting tasks for the developer" makes no sense. It is safe to assume the developer can respond if he deems it necessary, but have no sleepless nights; it is highly unlikely any of us have the "supernatural power" to influence Nick's priorities. It is the developer alone who sets their own tasks, regardless of a forum post...

                    And finally, he never insulted anyone, but you did, calling it a "childish" demand just because you don't care about what he does care about. A mirror to look into would come in handy, before you judge others, dude.

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                      @Rhinozherous said in Request for Improvement Aimed at Strengthening the Glass Effect on Instruments and the Reflection of the Glass Effect’s Reflections:

                      @kityatyi said in Request for Improvement Aimed at Strengthening the Glass Effect on Instruments and the Reflection of the Glass Effect’s Reflections:

                      @Rhinozherous said in Request for Improvement Aimed at Strengthening the Glass Effect on Instruments and the Reflection of the Glass Effect’s Reflections:

                      @batkizoltan In my opinion, your attitude needs an urgent fix by the developer...

                      There is nothing wrong with his attitude. He expressed his opinion politely - and raised valid points. The glass effect is substandard; he's not the only one who noticed it. What exactly is your problem with his attitude? Please elaborate.

                      "This is a critical issue that should not be delayed — it requires immediate attention from the developer, and a proper solution needs to be implemented. In its current state, this cannot remain as it is."

                      This is not a critical issue (the aircraft and its features work as intended) and he is not the one setting the tasks for the dev.
                      Adding words of respect does not magically change a childish demand into a polite question.

                      What if the intention was not to please the audience, but rather to get a point across clearly and concisely?

                      Maybe "this" is not a critical issue for you, but please do not speak on my behalf, and also it certainly is a critical issue for him, and may well be for others. Besides, the purpose of the forum is to communicate - among other things - concerns.

                      Worrying about "setting tasks for the developer" makes no sense. It is safe to assume the developer can respond if he deems it necessary, but have no sleepless nights; it is highly unlikely any of us have the "supernatural power" to influence Nick's priorities. It is the developer alone who sets their own tasks, regardless of a forum post...

                      And finally, he never insulted anyone, but you did, calling it a "childish" demand just because you don't care about what he does care about. A mirror to look into would come in handy, before you judge others, dude.

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                      Rhinozherous
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                      @kityatyi
                      I think that this is actually insulting:
                      "I’ll say it again, now for the umpteenth time, for those with weaker comprehension: do not interfere!"

                      Talking about mirrors:
                      For ME it is a critical issue when people open up like this in the forums and I also wanted this point to get across clearly and concisely. This may not concern YOU, but it was concerning me, and also other people here in the forum.

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                        kityatyi
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                        How about not trying to move the goalpost as you go along? That quote is only a follow-up. The actual insult started here: "Your attitude needs an urgent fix by the developer". Until you came playing the self-elected moral police, it was a legitimate, clear-cut personal opinion to which he had every right, no offence, no insults, straight to the point.

                        Also, let's not forget, we are not talking about donationware; he purchased something, not received as a gift. What one expects may differ from what others do for their money; who are you to judge?

                        And finally - before we lose sight of this fact -, he is not a native speaker of English. Nevertheless, those offended by that first post (I find it honest, passionate, to the point and respectful) should seriously address their inner weakness and insecurity before joining forums.

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                          Guys, I’ve decided to lock this thread as I think it’s reached an impasse of arguing personal preferences now and I think all the useful feedback has been posted at this point.

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