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fs 2024 Vanilla Turbine Failure With No Blacksquare Failure

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  • Black SquareB Black Square

    @Buzz Thank you for the screenshot of your setting page! It's not the engine damage option, it's the airframe damage! Another completely sensical behavior from MSFS 2024!

    I saw a post on the developer forums a while ago about spontaneous failures due to the simulator using the incorrect configuration speed for this mysterious "airframe damage", which I imagine is related. The damage begins as soon as the propeller is spinning, even before the engine is started.

    Now we just need to find what undocumented configuration value is being used to determine that a propeller RPM of 0.0001 should damage the ""airframe"". More to come...

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    @Black-Square said in fs 2024 Vanilla Turbine Failure With No Blacksquare Failure:

    Now we just need to find what undocumented configuration value is being used to determine that a propeller RPM of 0.0001 should damage the ""airframe"". More to come...

    Thats odd since it's actually the "Engine Health" that's decreasing, not anything related to the airframe.

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      @Black-Square said in fs 2024 Vanilla Turbine Failure With No Blacksquare Failure:

      Now we just need to find what undocumented configuration value is being used to determine that a propeller RPM of 0.0001 should damage the ""airframe"". More to come...

      Thats odd since it's actually the "Engine Health" that's decreasing, not anything related to the airframe.

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      @Buzz said in fs 2024 Vanilla Turbine Failure With No Blacksquare Failure:

      Thats odd

      You're telling me.

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        No, I take it all back. If you open the other drop-downs in your Wear and Tear debugger, I think you will see that all the aircraft's components are being degraded at the same time and the same rate, as soon as the propeller is spinning. It indicates that a failure would not be expected for ~120 hours, though (yikes, what is this wear and tear system?) Did you ever see the TURBINE_ENGINE health declining at a rate faster than in the default aircraft? I think what I'm seeing right now is just how this default wear and tear systems is supposed to function.

        EDIT: Yes, I see the same behavior with the default TBM. Also, the condition keeps declining after you exit the flight and you're in the main menu...

        Sorry for the false alarm, everyone. I've become very sleep deprived while working on this tonight.

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          Here is a post on the Official Forums that seems to be at the intersection of what's being described here. Last post 19 hours ago. If anyone wants to engage, let me know what you can learn. I have already invested a substantial amount of time in this, but I would still rather is be a MSFS 2024 fluke than something I neglected.

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            @Black-Square So shutting off Airframe damage should solve the issue?

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              The malfunction was engine in msfs 24. Maybe turn them both off (engine and airframe)

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                Engine Damage needs to remain enabled for the full Black Square engine stuff to work fully.

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                  Ooh, reading that post linked above, are people who are seeing this on SU4 or the SU5 beta? I cannot contribute a data point because I have aircraft and airframe stress damage off by default, but also despite owning the Caravan since day 1 I have been unable to find flying time this week, so I'm waiting until 1.1 drops next week.

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                    I am on su4

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                      Mik75
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                      On the last 4 flights, I had 4 engine failures. On the last 2, the engine stress damage in MSFS2024 (SU4) was turned off. The tablet showed no failure at all. In 2 of the 4 cases, I could restart the engine in flight. All 4 flights were done with the passenger variant.

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                        On the last 4 flights, I had 4 engine failures. On the last 2, the engine stress damage in MSFS2024 (SU4) was turned off. The tablet showed no failure at all. In 2 of the 4 cases, I could restart the engine in flight. All 4 flights were done with the passenger variant.

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                        @Mik75 try only with aircraft dmg off and let us know... I am also testing that way...

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                          @Mik75 try only with aircraft dmg off and let us know... I am also testing that way...

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                          @pequenyo Ok, I'm not sure if I have that set to on. Engine damage is definitely off. I'll recheck later tonight and report back here. 🙂

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