Will it be released to in-game Microsoft Flight Simulator Marketplace?
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I would like to express my dissatisfaction with the current pricing structure and Marketplace policies.
For this reason, I would like to request that my available 5,461 reward points be donated to Black Square Simulations. I will no longer be making any further purchases from Just Flight. Perhaps these points can help Black Square Simulations bring their aircraft to the Microsoft Marketplace with less delay.
Please JustFlight transfer my reward points over to BlackSquare.Thank you.
Kind regads
Michael Heel -
I would like to express my dissatisfaction with the current pricing structure and Marketplace policies.
For this reason, I would like to request that my available 5,461 reward points be donated to Black Square Simulations. I will no longer be making any further purchases from Just Flight. Perhaps these points can help Black Square Simulations bring their aircraft to the Microsoft Marketplace with less delay.
Please JustFlight transfer my reward points over to BlackSquare.Thank you.
Kind regads
Michael Heel@Michaelh Hi Michael, Can you please explain further what you're dissatisfied with? If you explain, I would be happy to discuss with you, and see what we can do internally. Occasional comments about pricing on Marketplace or 3rd party retailers have come up before, but these things are not always within our control. As for the delay with the marketplace, I always wait until v1.1 (average 2-3 weeks after Just Flight release) to submit for marketplace approval. However, we have encountered wait times as much as 5-6 months to get approval from Asobo/Microsoft for the marketplace. As you read above, one of the last items we receive is the language localization file, which is what's holding up this release too.
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Hi Nick,
on pricing: I already laid out my position in detail in the Caravan thread, and I'd rather not rehash it. The bottom line is that I didn't buy the Caravan because of the price discrepancy.
Since I won't be buying aircraft through Just Flight or any other retailer website going forward, my credits are no use to me. I'd like to pass them on to you.
On the delay: the longer a release takes, the less interesting the aircraft becomes. It needs to be hot. Speaking for myself, the Commander has already slipped my mind since release — I've seen the videos, but it's gone again. That's not a good sign coming from someone who likes Black Square.
Five to six months of waiting looks to me like a standoff between retailers and MS. I'm not blaming anyone for that. I'm just noting that Black Square has become less interesting to me, for a few reasons: pricing, marketplace, career mode.
Best regards,
Michael -
Hi Nick,
on pricing: I already laid out my position in detail in the Caravan thread, and I'd rather not rehash it. The bottom line is that I didn't buy the Caravan because of the price discrepancy.
Since I won't be buying aircraft through Just Flight or any other retailer website going forward, my credits are no use to me. I'd like to pass them on to you.
On the delay: the longer a release takes, the less interesting the aircraft becomes. It needs to be hot. Speaking for myself, the Commander has already slipped my mind since release — I've seen the videos, but it's gone again. That's not a good sign coming from someone who likes Black Square.
Five to six months of waiting looks to me like a standoff between retailers and MS. I'm not blaming anyone for that. I'm just noting that Black Square has become less interesting to me, for a few reasons: pricing, marketplace delay, career mode.
Best regards,
Michael -
Hi Nick,
on pricing: I already laid out my position in detail in the Caravan thread, and I'd rather not rehash it. The bottom line is that I didn't buy the Caravan because of the price discrepancy.
Since I won't be buying aircraft through Just Flight or any other retailer website going forward, my credits are no use to me. I'd like to pass them on to you.
On the delay: the longer a release takes, the less interesting the aircraft becomes. It needs to be hot. Speaking for myself, the Commander has already slipped my mind since release — I've seen the videos, but it's gone again. That's not a good sign coming from someone who likes Black Square.
Five to six months of waiting looks to me like a standoff between retailers and MS. I'm not blaming anyone for that. I'm just noting that Black Square has become less interesting to me, for a few reasons: pricing, marketplace delay, career mode.
Best regards,
MichaelJust to clarify - as per Ts and Cs, Just Rewards have no monetary value. They are a customer loyalty scheme to provide discounts off future purchases. However, as a gesture of goodwill and without prejudice to our liability, we will make a donation of £54.61 on your behalf to the games industry's Special Effect charity
Pricing - just to rehash that for anyone still reading this thread - we pass on the same United States Dollar price to Microsoft as the one displayed on our website. Currency exchange and tax calculations are performed by them and over that we have no control. They only accept a single $ price.
Delays - rather than make our own excuses, herewith the AI overview from Google on the subject:
Microsoft Flight Simulator Marketplace updates and patches can face approval and release delays ranging from a few weeks to several months.
Why Delays Happen
Approval Backlog:
Microsoft and Asobo manually review every third-party add-on and patch, which can create a significant backlog. Wait times for specific updates have historically stretched from 2–3 weeks up to 5–6 months depending on the developer and queue.
Platform Security:
The in-game marketplace validation process is stricter to ensure platform stability and protect against piracy, particularly across different systems.
New Releases & Patches:
Major simulator transitions (like MSFS 2024) or large add-ons can temporarily stall the general content pipeline as the team prioritizes core platform stability.Managing Marketplace Wait Times
Direct Purchases:
Many flight simmers opt to buy add-ons directly from third-party creators (such as Just Flight, Contrail, or PMDG stores) when available, as external purchases usually receive patches much faster than waiting for Microsoft's marketplace certification.
Track Status:
You can check current processing times and review the weekly rollout queue directly on the official Microsoft Flight Simulator Marketplace page. -
Just to clarify - as per Ts and Cs, Just Rewards have no monetary value. They are a customer loyalty scheme to provide discounts off future purchases. However, as a gesture of goodwill and without prejudice to our liability, we will make a donation of £54.61 on your behalf to the games industry's Special Effect charity
Pricing - just to rehash that for anyone still reading this thread - we pass on the same United States Dollar price to Microsoft as the one displayed on our website. Currency exchange and tax calculations are performed by them and over that we have no control. They only accept a single $ price.
Delays - rather than make our own excuses, herewith the AI overview from Google on the subject:
Microsoft Flight Simulator Marketplace updates and patches can face approval and release delays ranging from a few weeks to several months.
Why Delays Happen
Approval Backlog:
Microsoft and Asobo manually review every third-party add-on and patch, which can create a significant backlog. Wait times for specific updates have historically stretched from 2–3 weeks up to 5–6 months depending on the developer and queue.
Platform Security:
The in-game marketplace validation process is stricter to ensure platform stability and protect against piracy, particularly across different systems.
New Releases & Patches:
Major simulator transitions (like MSFS 2024) or large add-ons can temporarily stall the general content pipeline as the team prioritizes core platform stability.Managing Marketplace Wait Times
Direct Purchases:
Many flight simmers opt to buy add-ons directly from third-party creators (such as Just Flight, Contrail, or PMDG stores) when available, as external purchases usually receive patches much faster than waiting for Microsoft's marketplace certification.
Track Status:
You can check current processing times and review the weekly rollout queue directly on the official Microsoft Flight Simulator Marketplace page.@Derek hi Derek,
Thank you for the offer but I only will donate directed at Nick or not.
I don’t know who with whom does what here, but I have the feeling since Black Square “went to bed“ with JF everything got worse concerning BlackSquare. The immense pricing difference (caravan) between JF and and marketplace was the first hint and yes I know you described it but my feelings are my feelings. It all looks too much in favour for JF.
Anyways thank you for the offer and good luck for the future. I won’t bug you anymore about it. I might just come back since sadly BlackSquare has its support here.
Kind regards
Michael -
@Derek hi Derek,
Thank you for the offer but I only will donate directed at Nick or not.
I don’t know who with whom does what here, but I have the feeling since Black Square “went to bed“ with JF everything got worse concerning BlackSquare. The immense pricing difference (caravan) between JF and and marketplace was the first hint and yes I know you described it but my feelings are my feelings. It all looks too much in favour for JF.
Anyways thank you for the offer and good luck for the future. I won’t bug you anymore about it. I might just come back since sadly BlackSquare has its support here.
Kind regards
Michael@Michaelh said in Will it be released to in-game Microsoft Flight Simulator Marketplace?:
I don’t know who with whom does what here
You've made that quite plain.
since Black Square “went to bed“ with JF everything got worse concerning BlackSquare
We have been Black Square's publisher since 2021 when we released their first product for MSFS - Real Taxiways.
my feelings are my feelings. It all looks too much in favour for JF
Making totally unsubstantiated claims about Just Flight engaging in some kind of sharp practice is getting rather tiresome and if you continue with this nonsense it will simply get you (and the other account you use for this rubbish) banned from the forum.
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Dear Derek,
please be so kind and delete my forums accounts.
I just need need to be able to access the planes I bought.Kind regards
Michael@Michaelh Hi, Michael.
Sorry I didn't make the connection with the post regarding the Caravan pricing, because I didn't see it in your post history. I recall your complaints clearly, and we talked about 3rd party pricing internally to see if there was anything we could do to better match prices across retailers, but alas, the final price lies in their hands (and with the complex worldwide tax bureaucracy).
I wasn't sure if you were sincere about wanting to donate your Just Flight points to me in your first message, but I just wanted to say that I appreciate the gesture, regardless of it feasibility.
Derek is right, however, that all my products have been published through Just Flight since day-one, and our agreements and procedures have not changed in any way since my first product. We've discussed any pricing discrepancy at length, but from my perspective, I set one single price with Just Flight (it's actually baked into the compiled aircraft from my computer), and anything that happens after that is outside of the Just Flight ecosystem.
Sorry again about how you're feeling. I'm always here if you want to engage further, but I'm afraid that there is little we can do about currency conversion on other websites, or in the way of rushing Asobo to furnish Marketplace dependencies (trust me, we've tried).
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@Michaelh Hi, Michael.
Sorry I didn't make the connection with the post regarding the Caravan pricing, because I didn't see it in your post history. I recall your complaints clearly, and we talked about 3rd party pricing internally to see if there was anything we could do to better match prices across retailers, but alas, the final price lies in their hands (and with the complex worldwide tax bureaucracy).
I wasn't sure if you were sincere about wanting to donate your Just Flight points to me in your first message, but I just wanted to say that I appreciate the gesture, regardless of it feasibility.
Derek is right, however, that all my products have been published through Just Flight since day-one, and our agreements and procedures have not changed in any way since my first product. We've discussed any pricing discrepancy at length, but from my perspective, I set one single price with Just Flight (it's actually baked into the compiled aircraft from my computer), and anything that happens after that is outside of the Just Flight ecosystem.
Sorry again about how you're feeling. I'm always here if you want to engage further, but I'm afraid that there is little we can do about currency conversion on other websites, or in the way of rushing Asobo to furnish Marketplace dependencies (trust me, we've tried).
@Black-Square said in Will it be released to in-game Microsoft Flight Simulator Marketplace?:
@Michaelh Hi, Michael.
Sorry I didn't make the connection with the post regarding the Caravan pricing, because I didn't see it in your post history. I recall your complaints clearly, and we talked about 3rd party pricing internally to see if there was anything we could do to better match prices across retailers, but alas, the final price lies in their hands (and with the complex worldwide tax bureaucracy).
I wasn't sure if you were sincere about wanting to donate your Just Flight points to me in your first message, but I just wanted to say that I appreciate the gesture, regardless of it feasibility.
Derek is right, however, that all my products have been published through Just Flight since day-one, and our agreements and procedures have not changed in any way since my first product. We've discussed any pricing discrepancy at length, but from my perspective, I set one single price with Just Flight (it's actually baked into the compiled aircraft from my computer), and anything that happens after that is outside of the Just Flight ecosystem.
Sorry again about how you're feeling. I'm always here if you want to engage further, but I'm afraid that there is little we can do about currency conversion on other websites, or in the way of rushing Asobo to furnish Marketplace dependencies (trust me, we've tried).
No worries Nick,
Good luck for the future.
Michael
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@Black-Square said in Will it be released to in-game Microsoft Flight Simulator Marketplace?:
@Michaelh Hi, Michael.
Sorry I didn't make the connection with the post regarding the Caravan pricing, because I didn't see it in your post history. I recall your complaints clearly, and we talked about 3rd party pricing internally to see if there was anything we could do to better match prices across retailers, but alas, the final price lies in their hands (and with the complex worldwide tax bureaucracy).
I wasn't sure if you were sincere about wanting to donate your Just Flight points to me in your first message, but I just wanted to say that I appreciate the gesture, regardless of it feasibility.
Derek is right, however, that all my products have been published through Just Flight since day-one, and our agreements and procedures have not changed in any way since my first product. We've discussed any pricing discrepancy at length, but from my perspective, I set one single price with Just Flight (it's actually baked into the compiled aircraft from my computer), and anything that happens after that is outside of the Just Flight ecosystem.
Sorry again about how you're feeling. I'm always here if you want to engage further, but I'm afraid that there is little we can do about currency conversion on other websites, or in the way of rushing Asobo to furnish Marketplace dependencies (trust me, we've tried).
No worries Nick,
Good luck for the future.
Michael
@Michaelh Thanks, Michael. I really appreciate it. Sorry again to disappoint you. You know where to find me if there's ever anything I can do for you.
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@Michaelh Thanks, Michael. I really appreciate it. Sorry again to disappoint you. You know where to find me if there's ever anything I can do for you.
@Black-Square You are being way too polite to this guy. I admire your attitude but I have no idea what his problem is. He seems incredibly entitled and is causing an insane storm in a teacup. Like anyone cares what he does with his JF points...
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Dear Derek,
please be so kind and delete my forums accounts.
I just need need to be able to access the planes I bought.Kind regards
Michael@Michaelh Don't let the door hit ya!
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@ploodovic We're now on Day 3 (this week) of zero Marketplace releases or Updates for PC or Xbox.
I'm starting to speculate the Marketplace Team (a Microsoft entity) has been a victim of this week's layoffs.
