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A couple of snagettes

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  • M Mikealpha

    @Martyn said in A couple of snagettes:

    Hi Martyn,

    along with other flight dynamics feedback

    not really feedback, I am by no means a BAe146 expert, just learning it. However, I read in a pilots report the BAe146 is said to be able to descend "like a stone".
    However, during my 270 kt descend I don't even reach -2000fpm using IAS Mode and idle thrust. Also the AirBrake has no effect at all. And reducing speed during descend takes a loooong time.
    Makes me wonder a bit.

    Mike

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    @Mikealpha The 146 didn't do anything particularly quickly. It was able to do steep approaches and had a distinctive nose down approach but the airspeed below FL10 wouldn't have often been 270 kts, usually 220 or less. above FL10 the descents would be more gradual.
    The descending like a stone comment may have been more in reference to finals, particularly somewhere like EGLC. The airspeed would have been low before entering final approach. and at that point the decent rate would have been high, but the airbrakes would have easily kept the speed below 200kts.

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      @Mikealpha The 146 didn't do anything particularly quickly. It was able to do steep approaches and had a distinctive nose down approach but the airspeed below FL10 wouldn't have often been 270 kts, usually 220 or less. above FL10 the descents would be more gradual.
      The descending like a stone comment may have been more in reference to finals, particularly somewhere like EGLC. The airspeed would have been low before entering final approach. and at that point the decent rate would have been high, but the airbrakes would have easily kept the speed below 200kts.

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      @XR219

      Ok, that's good to know, thanks for the info !

      @Martyn,

      That is odd as the airbrake should have a significant effect

      Odd indeed. I only remember ice warning was active and I had all icing protections turned on. Could be the AirBrake does not extend in icing conditions ?
      However, I'll check again later today and will send screenshots.

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      • M Mikealpha

        @XR219

        Ok, that's good to know, thanks for the info !

        @Martyn,

        That is odd as the airbrake should have a significant effect

        Odd indeed. I only remember ice warning was active and I had all icing protections turned on. Could be the AirBrake does not extend in icing conditions ?
        However, I'll check again later today and will send screenshots.

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        @Mikealpha

        This is still strange. I have the AirBrakes lever out, but still no effect, also on the visual model I don't see the Airbrakes. How can that happen ?

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        • M Mikealpha

          @Mikealpha

          This is still strange. I have the AirBrakes lever out, but still no effect, also on the visual model I don't see the Airbrakes. How can that happen ?

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          @Mikealpha
          How are you activating the airbrakes? Have you tried the "/" key or are you activating only from within the VC?

          Also, which Sim are you using? P3D 4, 5 or FSX?

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            Looking at the code logic, the airbrakes should deploy if the green hydraulic system is available and both thrust lever 1 and 4 are below take-off power (approx. 75%). The airbrake position should then be controlled by the position of the lever on the centre console.

            Martyn - Development Manager

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              Looking at the code logic, the airbrakes should deploy if the green hydraulic system is available and both thrust lever 1 and 4 are below take-off power (approx. 75%). The airbrake position should then be controlled by the position of the lever on the centre console.

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              @Martyn

              it works, but ONLY when using the Spoiler "/" key @XR219 (thanks !!) mentioned. AirBrake does NOT work when operating the lever in the VC with the mouse.
              To make it even more interesting, the AirBrake out/in using the "/" key works only once, then not anymore.

              Would be great if this could be fixed.

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              • M Mikealpha

                @Martyn

                it works, but ONLY when using the Spoiler "/" key @XR219 (thanks !!) mentioned. AirBrake does NOT work when operating the lever in the VC with the mouse.
                To make it even more interesting, the AirBrake out/in using the "/" key works only once, then not anymore.

                Would be great if this could be fixed.

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                @Mikealpha I've tried it on the ground and in the air using both the VC and the "/" key and both are working for me. Could it be something you may have coded in FSUIPC or your stick settings clashing with it? (P3D 4.5)

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                  @Mikealpha I've tried it on the ground and in the air using both the VC and the "/" key and both are working for me. Could it be something you may have coded in FSUIPC or your stick settings clashing with it? (P3D 4.5)

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                  @XR219 said in A couple of snagettes:

                  @Mikealpha I've tried it on the ground and in the air using both the VC and the "/" key and both are working for me. Could it be something you may have coded in FSUIPC or your stick settings clashing with it? (P3D 4.5)

                  @XR219 That's weird. No, I don't have FSUIPC active and have not defined anything related to spoiler on the stick.
                  It's a new Thrustmaster TCM Airbus Stick with Elevator/Aileron/Rudder/Throttle defined and all buttons used for ChasePlane Views. I just checked again the control assignments in P3D, there is nothing.

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                  • M Mikealpha

                    @XR219 said in A couple of snagettes:

                    @Mikealpha I've tried it on the ground and in the air using both the VC and the "/" key and both are working for me. Could it be something you may have coded in FSUIPC or your stick settings clashing with it? (P3D 4.5)

                    @XR219 That's weird. No, I don't have FSUIPC active and have not defined anything related to spoiler on the stick.
                    It's a new Thrustmaster TCM Airbus Stick with Elevator/Aileron/Rudder/Throttle defined and all buttons used for ChasePlane Views. I just checked again the control assignments in P3D, there is nothing.

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                    I also just checked spoiler/speedbrake operation in the two other Addons I have installed (PMDG 737 and FSLabs A320), works fine there, no problems.

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                    • M Mikealpha

                      I also just checked spoiler/speedbrake operation in the two other Addons I have installed (PMDG 737 and FSLabs A320), works fine there, no problems.

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                      Me again :-). Just for testing I now completely removed the contents of my P3D modules folder and to my surprise, Airbrake works normally now. I have no idea what caused it, but it is a problem on my end . Very sorry !!!

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