TBM850 in 2024
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Hats off to Black Square for supporting this aircraft in MSFS 2024 for those of us that bought the original. If I’m honest I wasn’t expecting such an extensive list of improvements/ additions, I’m even going to say I wasn’t even sure it would make it over to ‘24. Fantastic Developer who will definitely have my support and purchases in the future, there are some big name developers that should really take note on this great customer service
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Hats off to Black Square for supporting this aircraft in MSFS 2024 for those of us that bought the original. If I’m honest I wasn’t expecting such an extensive list of improvements/ additions, I’m even going to say I wasn’t even sure it would make it over to ‘24. Fantastic Developer who will definitely have my support and purchases in the future, there are some big name developers that should really take note on this great customer service
@TonyDarkZero Thank you for the appreciation. It's been nice to hear today with the TBM update, because all the free updates can seem quite thankless, as I'm sure you can imagine. It was brought to my attention this morning that v1.3 of the TBM may not have actually been released on all platforms many months ago. Perhaps someone will enlighten me here, since I'm not actually sure. I thought I would post the 1.3 changelog (they are always at the end of the manuals), just for the sake of completeness. I know it can be satisfying to see that one little thing that bothered you fixed in an update.
v1.3 - Marketplace Update
New Features:
● Upgraded KNS-80 RNAV, and KR87 ADF push button interactions to conform to latest Black Square standards.
● Added optional PMS50 GTN 750 configuration for go-around nose-up angle, which will now match the 8° pitch-up commanded by the other autopilot systems.
● Added headphone cable visual model and clickspots in preparation for custom soundset at a later date.Bug Fixes:
● The tablet “Load with Covers & Chocks Deployed” option had no effect in v1.2.
● The tablet payload page’s maximum allowable weights have been corrected, and the manual updated with more specific loading information for the nose storage compartment. The center of gravity envelope display on the tablet payload page has also been corrected accordingly.
● It was possible in v1.2 for the primary Working Title GNS 530 to load incorrectly if selected at the beginning of a flight (via state saving) that would render the autopilot mode indications inoperable.
● KNS-81 output L:Var values for hardware interfaces only updated when there was a valid VOR signal being received.
● Several instances of information relevant to operation of the Black Square Turbine Duke were removed from the manual.
● Improved colors of EFS40 EHSI pointer needles for clarity.
● Rearranged After Starting Engine checklist so bleed air valve would be open before attempting to check deicing boot inflation.
● Ground effect slightly reduced for more assertive on-speed landings.
● Improved gas generator behavior at high power settings. -
When you mean v1.3 - Marketplace update this is for msfs2020? Because in 2024 I don't even see the Black Square aircrafts. I really hope you update the marketplace in 24 soon, I bought all my Black Square aircrafts in the marketplace in 2020 and really miss them in 24. Thank you for your amazing aircrafts!!
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For folks that are getting no engine or switch sounds, I found a way to fix it. This seems to be a cached stream file for the 930 that's causing issues.
I went to the following path for Steam:
c:\users%username%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024\Packages\StreamedPackages
If you're using Microsoft Store/Xbox:
C:\Users%username%\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Limitless_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalState\StreamedPackages
Search for TBM
Delete the three folders with tbm930 labeled.
Launch FS2024
Go to Marketplace, then Library
Enable Daher 930
That will redownload the streamed package and the sounds will appear again.
Hope this helps and happy flying!
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For folks that are getting no engine or switch sounds, I found a way to fix it. This seems to be a cached stream file for the 930 that's causing issues.
I went to the following path for Steam:
c:\users%username%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024\Packages\StreamedPackages
If you're using Microsoft Store/Xbox:
C:\Users%username%\AppData\Local\Packages\Microsoft.Limitless_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalState\StreamedPackages
Search for TBM
Delete the three folders with tbm930 labeled.
Launch FS2024
Go to Marketplace, then Library
Enable Daher 930
That will redownload the streamed package and the sounds will appear again.
Hope this helps and happy flying!
@drhorriblephd Interesting! I've never consider such a thing, and I'm not aware of it affecting any of my other aircraft. I will keep this in mind for other users having trouble. Thank you for sharing!
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Hi all, I'm trying to configure this free app for Android and iPad: TBM Perf. It is very usefull to plan a flight. But I'm not able to configure the correct Arm (in) for the empty weight (4.806 lbs with the door's pilot). On the original POH there is only the Arm (in) for the standard empty weight of 4.762 lbs (without the pilot's door). Can someone help me? Regards.
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@meurkel said in TBM850 in 2024:
Does it now use the new propeller animations in MSFS 2024?
I don’t believe so, I think Nick mentioned he looked into it but it didn’t work as well as he hoped. Not sure what thread that was in.
@dannycam6 said in TBM850 in 2024:
Still having no sounds in the TBM.
Did you make sure you have the default Asobo TBM 930 activated (it doesn’t have to be locally installed, at least on my machine it’s not) and that you do not have the 2020 version of the 930 still copied into your community folder (if you copied it over before the 2024 version of the 850 was released)? All I had to do on my end was delete the TBM 930 I copied from MSFS 2020 and then install the 2024 version of the 850 and the sounds worked fine. @drhorriblephd above also posted some steps you can try if you’re on the MS store version (I’m on steam so can’t comment on them). I’d say if none of that works you’d want to try a support ticket.
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@meurkel said in TBM850 in 2024:
Does it now use the new propeller animations in MSFS 2024?
I don’t believe so, I think Nick mentioned he looked into it but it didn’t work as well as he hoped. Not sure what thread that was in.
@dannycam6 said in TBM850 in 2024:
Still having no sounds in the TBM.
Did you make sure you have the default Asobo TBM 930 activated (it doesn’t have to be locally installed, at least on my machine it’s not) and that you do not have the 2020 version of the 930 still copied into your community folder (if you copied it over before the 2024 version of the 850 was released)? All I had to do on my end was delete the TBM 930 I copied from MSFS 2020 and then install the 2024 version of the 850 and the sounds worked fine. @drhorriblephd above also posted some steps you can try if you’re on the MS store version (I’m on steam so can’t comment on them). I’d say if none of that works you’d want to try a support ticket.
@Iconography Okay thanks. I really hope he can find a way to make it work or Asobo can make it easier for him. I've flown some default piston planes in MSFS 2024 and the props on them look truly amazing, way better than the static textures we got in MSFS 2020. I was hoping to get the same amazing look on the Blacksquare planes but I guess it's not to be just yet.
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@Iconography Okay thanks. I really hope he can find a way to make it work or Asobo can make it easier for him. I've flown some default piston planes in MSFS 2024 and the props on them look truly amazing, way better than the static textures we got in MSFS 2020. I was hoping to get the same amazing look on the Blacksquare planes but I guess it's not to be just yet.
@meurkel I finally found the post I was thinking of: https://community.justflight.com/post/41564
So there’s a chance it will happen but not until he’s satisfied with how it looks (but he goes into a lot more detail than that).
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Hard to say but I interpreted that as he would implement as optional IF he could find a way to make it work well enough that he was happy with it. I do gather that he’s been working on more pressing things after the release of SU3 so if I was to hazard a guess it’s not high on the priority list but that’s just speculation. Hopefully as things settle with the sim updates it will make things easier.
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When you mean v1.3 - Marketplace update this is for msfs2020? Because in 2024 I don't even see the Black Square aircrafts. I really hope you update the marketplace in 24 soon, I bought all my Black Square aircrafts in the marketplace in 2020 and really miss them in 24. Thank you for your amazing aircrafts!!
Hello all,
I am a very confused customer. I purchased the Black Square TBM850 via the msfs2020 martketplace some time ago, with the understanding it would be eventually upgraded to msfs2024 full compatibility. The whole thing has gotten to be a confusing mess with the release of the justflight option without having the marketplace option at the same time. Please understand, I am willing to wait for the marketplace release, since apparantly ASOBO seems to have made things difficult for developers. However, I keepp reading that it is available in the marketplace, only to find out it is not available. So many posts are far out of date and no one is keeping us updated (mushroom syndrome?) Why are we being treated with such apparent contempt. I paid in good faith, but when I inquire from anywhere, all I get is "it was sent to ASOBO, we do not have any control". Well, I know for sure I don't have any control. Can someone from ASOBO take some responsibility here and try and keep us informed. We cannot rely on searches on this website or anywhere else, since everything has gotten so scrambled between black square, just flight, and asobo. My head is spinning. I plan on waiting on the marketplace release for tho 2024 upgrade. I might have just said, the heck with it, I will just go ahead and buy from just flight, but it doesn't seem that release has gone so smoothly either and I do not think I will risk it. Please, someone...think of your customers. Black Square: You are not the publisher, but these people are not helping you. Just Flight: There are places on the web that are saying that marketplace purchasers should download from your website (which is obviously wrong). None of this is helping you either. Can no one put any pressure on ASOBO to even keep us updated? Depending on where you look, you will be told it is available, or it is not available. I have had my say and do not intend to waste any more of my time on this issue. Someone, please do something!!!! -
Hi @sajamo. Thanks for letting me know how you're feeling. The only way that I can do my best to ensure an enjoyable experience for my users is if they share how they are feeling. Since I've released my updates for MSFS 2024, I have been feeling this increasing sense of confusion as well. I get emails and messages daily now, inquiring what is available where and when. It seems that this crossed some threshold with MSFS 2024, as my users previously understood where to find their updates based on where they purchased, and who sent them email notifications. I don't blame anyone for this confusion, because the MSFS 2024 experience has been confusing in all aspects for us developers too. We even have a completely different system for uploading aircraft for marketplace approval than we did in MSFS 2020, which requires its own specific assets.
Unfortunately, "it was sent to ASOBO, we do not have any control", has been the only answer I have been able to supply, because it's a complete surprise to us (myself and the Just Flight team) when our aircraft are released on the marketplace. I even find the descriptions I wrote for my aircraft completely rewritten with phrases and details that I would not use myself. Without getting into more details, I have long said that packaging my aircraft for the marketplace is possibly my greatest pain point as a developer.
Now, on to the pragmatic. It sounds like you understand that a MSFS 2024 marketplace update for your TBM will come from the MSFS 2024 marketplace, and nowhere else. If you have any links to people providing incorrect information online, we can try to counter those by posting the correct information. In the future, I recommend to everyone that purchasing from Just Flight directly obviously gives us the best control of how and when you receive updates, and how we notify you by email directly. This also gives you the most control, because the aircraft is stored locally on your computer, instead of streaming from Asobo's cloud. This means that you can even make edits to the aircraft, or I can send you custom requested features, should this ever interest you.
In the meantime, please tell me what else I can do to clear things up, or improve the experience for you and others. In hindsight, our email and post about all my aircraft being update for MSFS 2024 could have contained some of this clarifying information, but we also run the risk of that information becoming obsolete before it's even published due to the unknown marketplace release schedule.
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Just to follow on from what Nick has written above. Firstly, thank you for your feedback and our deepest apologies if we have cuased confusion. To respond, I think it would initially help to go through the various characters in this drama:
Black Square - developer of the TBM 850 (see post above)
Just Flight - publisher and retailer of the TBM 850 (host of this forum and associated website)
Asobo - developer of MSFS2020 & 2024
Microsoft - publisher of MSFS2020 & 2024 and also owner of the Microsoft MarketPlaceOn the 5th September 2025 we (Just Flight) released an update (developed by Black Square) for the TBM850 - you can read all the details of what it includes here: https://support.justflight.com/support/solutions/articles/17000137147-tbm-850-msfs-changelog
This release went as smoothly as any other major update and customers should be enjoying the benefits of it as I type.The update was for versions of the software purchased direct from Just Flight's website or from the sites of Just Flight's direct retail partners such as Simmarket or Aerosoft.
Among other things, it updated the TBM850 to MSFS2024 compatibility.see: https://www.justflight.com/articles/msfs-2024-compatibility-and-updates-for-all-black-square-aircraft
The Microsoft MarketPlace for 'in game' purchasing is a completely separate system and, as Nick has outlined above, the versions of any title sold there are specific to the MarketPlace. Software is sent to Microsoft by the developer or publisher and a specific version for PC is 'wrapped' for the MarketPlace. The developer/publisher is then allowed access to test the MarketPlace version and, if approved, Microsoft will release it on their store.
The same process takes place for console (X-Box) - although a product released on PC may not necessarily come out on console at the same time - if ever.The same process takes place for patches and updates: ie submission / rework / approval / release (with PC and console variants).
There is no fixed timescale for this process - releases are generally pushed out once a week by Microsoft and the new release or update must be wrapped by Microsoft as their time permits.
So, all we can confirm for the moment is that the TBM850 has been updated for 2024 for customers who bought the title from anywhere other than the Microsoft MarketPlace.
When we return to work next week we will see if there have been any issues reported and if there is any clue as to when the MarketPlace version will come out. NB that the MarketPlace will automatically update the software for you - there should be no need to re-download or copy files etc.
