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Any chance we can get a video or step by step on how to setup and follow a simple ILS approach?

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    @Black-Square Nick, I saw you mentioned you're working on some bugs, is the above one of them? Where APPR in 2024 doesn't seem to arm a lateral mode?

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      Honestly, I haven't even had a chance to look into it yet. I hit my breaking point with MSFS 2024's bugs, so I have been completely rewriting large sections of Starship's code to make use of my own modified native flight planner, and doing all my own autopilot calculations. As I said to someone else, it seems the only correct move to make when working on MSFS to wrestle as much control away from MSFS as possible. Although In don't want to jinx myself, the result of wrestling that control usually results in far better outcomes than doing otherwise.

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        Sorry to hear this is so frustrating, I bet you’d rather be working on something else. On the other hand, we will remember this when people ask “where is the 2024 version of <insert plane> and we’re ready to spread the word” 🙂

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          Reading this thread gave me a headache. I second the suggestion for a video.:-)

          Can we get a list of known issues? Perhaps anything that may have been discovered post launch so we don’t slam our heads against the wall 🙂

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            Honestly, I haven't even had a chance to look into it yet. I hit my breaking point with MSFS 2024's bugs, so I have been completely rewriting large sections of Starship's code to make use of my own modified native flight planner, and doing all my own autopilot calculations. As I said to someone else, it seems the only correct move to make when working on MSFS to wrestle as much control away from MSFS as possible. Although In don't want to jinx myself, the result of wrestling that control usually results in far better outcomes than doing otherwise.

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            @Black-Square said in Any chance we can get a video or step by step on how to setup and follow a simple ILS approach?:

            Honestly, I haven't even had a chance to look into it yet. I hit my breaking point with MSFS 2024's bugs, so I have been completely rewriting large sections of Starship's code to make use of my own modified native flight planner, and doing all my own autopilot calculations. As I said to someone else, it seems the only correct move to make when working on MSFS to wrestle as much control away from MSFS as possible. Although In don't want to jinx myself, the result of wrestling that control usually results in far better outcomes than doing otherwise.

            I have some "sad" news to report, I was able to fly a GNS 430 RNAV approach in 2024 after practicing a bunch of times in 2020. I think the main issue is the HDG bug, after selecting HDG, AUTO LEG doesn't work, that's a real problem. Workaround is to use HDG again or MAN LEG until the next waypoint, and I'm pretty sure AUTO LEG works after the first one.

            GNS guidance does work, the main issue is when you enable FMS/GNS, the autopilot goes off, and then you have to set everything properly again (enable FMS again, set your Altitude and descent etc.). After doing that, the aircraft was following GNSL, and then after hitting APR I got GNSV and GS, as in 2020. I don't know yet if this works every time, but it worked...

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              @Black-Square said in Any chance we can get a video or step by step on how to setup and follow a simple ILS approach?:

              Honestly, I haven't even had a chance to look into it yet. I hit my breaking point with MSFS 2024's bugs, so I have been completely rewriting large sections of Starship's code to make use of my own modified native flight planner, and doing all my own autopilot calculations. As I said to someone else, it seems the only correct move to make when working on MSFS to wrestle as much control away from MSFS as possible. Although In don't want to jinx myself, the result of wrestling that control usually results in far better outcomes than doing otherwise.

              I have some "sad" news to report, I was able to fly a GNS 430 RNAV approach in 2024 after practicing a bunch of times in 2020. I think the main issue is the HDG bug, after selecting HDG, AUTO LEG doesn't work, that's a real problem. Workaround is to use HDG again or MAN LEG until the next waypoint, and I'm pretty sure AUTO LEG works after the first one.

              GNS guidance does work, the main issue is when you enable FMS/GNS, the autopilot goes off, and then you have to set everything properly again (enable FMS again, set your Altitude and descent etc.). After doing that, the aircraft was following GNSL, and then after hitting APR I got GNSV and GS, as in 2020. I don't know yet if this works every time, but it worked...

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              @Marionettework said in Any chance we can get a video or step by step on how to setup and follow a simple ILS approach?:

              I have some "sad" news to report, I was able to fly a GNS 430 RNAV approach in 2024 after practicing a bunch of times in 2020. I think the main issue is the HDG bug, after selecting HDG, AUTO LEG doesn't work, that's a real problem. Workaround is to use HDG again or MAN LEG until the next waypoint, and I'm pretty sure AUTO LEG works after the first one.

              As I've said elsewhere, this should be fixed in the next update (hopefully tomorrow) by my completely custom autopilot controller.

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                It's been 15 years since I graduated with my ME in EE, and unfortunately my school was infinitely more focused on signal processing rather than any sort of hardware design or anything remotely circuit related, but I remember loving the courses I took on feedback control.

                Did you enjoy doing your own AP controller?

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                  It's not every day I get a more philosophical question here, haha. I live to make these airplanes, on a base level. I am not happy at all that I must code almost everything from scratch when the simulator's code doesn't work. In this particular instance, I am actually more upset that I had to do this for a bug, rather than to implement some new features that I had in mind. If I had done this months ago, you guys would have a Starship that actually loses track of where it is when operating on only Omega. That may still be to come, but not before I get some sleep first!

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                    I'm a total newb when it comes to this aircraft but i've done ILS approaches allot in the 2024 version and it have worked fine for me. I set the correct ILS numbers in the VOR 1 and VOR 2 , then when reaching approach i press NAV source and activate VOR 2, the reason i use VOR2 is so the heading don't show back course when in LOC, then APPR button and the plane does everything itself

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                      I haven't given it a thorough run through since it's 7a here and I unfortunately have to work for a living, but a quick ground test in MSFS24 showed that arming APPR will now arm LOC and GS instead of just GS, so I would imagine it will now grab the localizer without needing to box NAV first.

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                        Here's a quick video on how to fly an ILS approach:

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO1KLRUNHfA

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