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RTU and COM1 connections

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    Just updated to 1.1 to see if this behaviour changed from the initial release, but no change.

    When you turn on the battery the two RTU's both turn on which makes sense. What doesn't make sense to me, is why the actual radio is not turned on together with it.
    What purpose does it serve to use precious battery power to light up RTU's displaying frequencies that you can't actually talk on because the underlying radio is not turned on?

    To me it makes sense to turn on radios on BAT tp allow for operations with no GPU by having the radio come on as part of the most basic equipment so you can get a startup clearance and start powering up more stuff once you have things going.
    The schematics show that the RTU's are on the center bus where COM1 is on the triple fed bus with seemingly loadshedding preventing it from turning on as far as I can tell?

    Even turning on external power and the EICAS does not give power on the Pilot Tripple fed avionics. It only comes on with the pilot avionics.
    Nothing outside the tablet reveals that the underlying radio isn't on, and I feel this would be a very weird design choice IRL. The Starship is full of weird choices though so who knows!

    Here a pic with battery external and EICAS all on. No indication on the RTU that radios are not actually operating and the manual doesn't mention this as a quirk on the RTU section.

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    No breaker popped and only used legacy mouse interaction to turn stuff on. No hardware binds I could imagine messing with things. Both ingame ATC and Vpilot sees the radio as not on when COM1 is not powered like this.

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      To add another scenario after reading further in the manual.
      Standby battery + EICAS turns on the left RTU. But again it seems like preciously wasted power when the radio is not actually functioning, so I suspect something is not right.

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        Indeed, that is a rather interesting point. It's also a great example of how I can miss the forest for the trees while developing these aircraft. If I have a schematic that says something, I'm so preoccupied about getting it right that sometimes I don't think about the ramifications.

        Looking at the schematics with a more enlightened eye...

        The hookups for the RTU's seem to be correct, so the question is about the COM transceivers...

        Well, the schematic is very clear that the COM 1 transceiver is off the Avionics No. 2 Power Relay from the Triple-Fed Avionics Bus Feeder No. 1. The avionics distribution schematic also makes it pretty clear that there is only one path for continuity to the Pilot's Triple-Fed avionics bus, and that it's relay is only pulled down when the normally open Pilot's Avionics Switch is closed (the opposite of how a King Air is wired).

        I can't find any mention of "ground comm" (other than the one for communicating with ground crew), or anything related to RTU power in any of the manuals.

        I completely agree with your assessment of the utility, or lack thereof, in this design, but I can also only tell you what it says in the schematic. I think this might be thoroughly in the "ask the owner" category.

        The final level of investigation is looking at the "big boy" schematics in the maintenance manual. Standby...

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          Maybe the schematics in the manuals aren't even complete. They never expected nerds of this level 😁

          Started looking at that old 600 page manual floating around but of course it is tough to fully read and understand without having a full understanding of all the bus-es and their naming first.

          I note that "No.1 +28-V dc power is applied to the RTU power supply"
          And for VHF 1 "Operating power is provided by the no.1 +28V dc aircraft supply"
          In the Schematics both are listed as NO.1 +28 V DC POWER
          Not entirely sure which 28 V bus that is, but it looks to be the same from my cursory overview.

          Similarly the RTU2 and COM2 looks to be powered by the NO. 2 +28V DC POWER.

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