Can't engage/use CWS

Randolf

I can confirm, tried the same with piston Duke an got the same results :(

Black Square

I haven't found a good way to implement a true CWS mode with the native MSFS autopilot yet, but it will resync your pitch when you release the button. This means you can make small adjustments (while the autopilot is fighting you), or resync the pitch before engaging attitude hold mode.

As is so often the case, your comment has given me inspiration for a possible solution, though! I will experiment later to see what I can do! What I have in mind should work, it's just a question of how well and smoothly.

scoobyx

@Black-Square justflight does this on the 146 with their autopilot. it's a sync function that temporarily disconnects the a/p and then when you release it, it re-syncs the a/p with your current settings. if you're stumped or looking for additional inspiration, it might be worth pinged someone there to see what/how they do this.

also, fwiw, they have that set up so that i can use standard, in-sim bindings on my hardware so that's a huge plus for me as i don't currently use any external hardware config programs like spad or aao

Randolf

So if anyone is looking for a workaround until this can be fixed, I had some success emulating CWS button by temporarily disconnecting autopilot when button is pressed, then I adjust pitch manually and on button release switch to ATT mode and re-enable AP and it will hold the new pitch. I use a script like this in Axis And Ohs:
button press:
1 (>L:var_PilotCws_IsDown, Number) 1 (>K:AUTOPILOT_OFF)
release:
0 (>L:var_PilotCws_IsDown, Number) 1 (>K:AP_PITCH_LEVELER) 1 (>K:AUTOPILOT_ON)

This is a simplified version that will enable autopilot upon button release even if it was not on before. I also have a more convoluted version that is specific to AAO and may not be portable to other software, if anyone is interested.

mysticfm

@Randolf - great info, thanks much. Now, if anyone can translate this into what I’d need to do in FSUIPC7 (which I’ve only had for a week, so I’m very much a neophyte with it), I for one would be very appreciative.

Randolf

@mysticfm , ok, lemme try.
I've used FSUIPC for stuff like this some time ago, before switching to AAO. I find AAO more user-friendly when doing more advanced stuff like scripting.

First create (or edit) file with RPN macros. Locate FSUIPC folder,
for me that is C:\Program Files\FSUIPC7.
In there find or create a file named myevents.txt
Add these two lines into this file:

DukeCwsPress#1 (>L:var_PilotCws_IsDown, Number) 1 (>K:AUTOPILOT_OFF)
DukeCwsRelease#0 (>L:var_PilotCws_IsDown, Number) 1 (>K:AP_PITCH_LEVELER) 1 (>K:AUTOPILOT_ON)

This will create macros DukeCwsPress and DukeCwsRelease.
Now (re-)start FSUIPC. It has to be restarted upon editing the myevents file.
Go to Buttons and Switch assignments window,
press the button to use for CWS,
optionally select Profile specific to apply only to this plane,
enable Select for Preset,
in the Control sent when button pressed field find DukeCwsPress and in the button released field below find DukeCwsRelease,
press OK to close the window, and you should be set.
Now try it out, as a first indication, you should see the CWS button on the virtual yoke move when you press your button, if we set up everything right.

Let me know if it works. I haven't used FSUIPC in a while.

mysticfm

@Randolf - Once I actually followed your directions correctly :) I do see the CWS button animating. Thanks much … now I’ll see if/how it actually functions with the autopilot engaged.

brennan

FWIW my solution is spad is that I have my yoke's pitch rocker controlling trim with a conditional test. IF ATT engaged then incr/decr the AP pitch wheel ELSE incr/decr the standard trimmer. I pretty much copied that from my F28 setup and it works fine on the Dukes.

The only thing that catches me out is when I switch to ATT mode from ALT to start a descent the AP pitch can still be left in the climb position which results in an unwanted pitch up. I may see if I can cheat and do an auto centre of the trim when engaging ATT.

jmarkows

@Black-Square said in Can't engage/use CWS:

I haven't found a good way to implement a true CWS mode with the native MSFS autopilot yet, but it will resync your pitch when you release the button. This means you can make small adjustments (while the autopilot is fighting you), or resync the pitch before engaging attitude hold mode.

As is so often the case, your comment has given me inspiration for a possible solution, though! I will experiment later to see what I can do! What I have in mind should work, it's just a question of how well and smoothly.

Is that something likely to make it into the Dukes in a near-term patch? I might wait, if so, rather than experimenting with FSUIPC.

@Randolf Thanks for the pseudo (or correct, haven't tried it) FSUIPC code. If I give it a whirl, I'll let you know how it works. Events/RPN is something I haven't yet tried to do in FSUPIC, just some basic non-standard assignments through LVars and Lua scripting.

mysticfm

@jmarkows - I’ve now done a flight with it, and it seems to work fairly well. I had a couple of times where releasing the button caused the ATT mode to resume level flight rather than holding my chosen attitude, but a second try got it to capture in each case.

Randolf

@mysticfm
Hm, that's interesting, I didn't yet run into the problem that it wouldn't hold the new pitch, but had suspicion that it may happen under some circumstances. I'll try to find a workaround.

Randolf

Yea, just found out that it behaves wildly different with different GPS units present. My testing was only with KNS90B, there it seems to work fine. Now trying with PMS50 GTN it doesn't work at all :)

KRoy7

I have solved this issue (e.g. workaround) using SPAD.next as follows (I'm using GTN750/GTN650):

Randolf

@KRoy7 you're probably not using the PMS50 GTN750 unit, it doesn't seem to like the AP_PITCH_LEVELER event, but instead AP_ALT_HOLD.

However, I copied the ATT button code from the aircraft files and updated my solution. The scripts now look a bit complicated, but seem to work at least with the KLN90B, PMS50 GTN750 and no-GPS setup that I was able to test:

button press:

1 (>L:var_PilotCws_IsDown, Number) 1 (>K:AUTOPILOT_OFF)

release:

0 (>L:var_PilotCws_IsDown, Number) 1 (>K:AUTOPILOT_ON)
(L:PMS50_APGA_RUNNING, bool) (L:PMS50_APGA_ACTIVE_VERTICAL_MODE, number) 3 == and
(L:PMS50_APGA_RUNNING, bool) ! (A:AUTOPILOT VERTICAL HOLD, bool) (A:AUTOPILOT ALTITUDE LOCK, bool) or and
or if{ 1 (>K:AP_ALT_HOLD) } els{ 1 (>K:AP_PITCH_LEVELER) }
(A:PLANE PITCH DEGREES, Degrees) 15 min -15 max (>L:var_AP_PitchKnob, number)

I shared some of my AxisAndOhs templates for the Duke here:
https://gitlab.com/randolf.lemmont/fs-bksq-duke-mods

The CWS button is part of the Duke AP template shared there.

KRoy7

Indeed I am using the PMS50 GTN750. But I have to send the leveler event twice, as the first press activates GP, second press activates ATT. But so far it's working as desired.

mysticfm

@Randolf - getting into some Booleans there, I see … which makes sense, as my added flights today indicate the misbehavior is indeed dependent upon the current state of the autopilot. I only wish I knew if FSUIPC also supported this kind of expression; the advanced manual for it is kind of a headache, huh?

Randolf

@mysticfm these expressions will work in FSUIPC also. Just copy the button release long expression and put it on a single line (with space separating each line) behind DukeCwsRelease# you have in myevents file, replacing the previous version.
Though there may be a way to use multi line strings in that file, but you'd have to read the docs.

mysticfm

@Randolf - Thank you for the help. I definitely intend to dig into FSUIPC programming, but for right now I’m too busy trying to learn to fly the Duke along with trying to learn to talk to BeyondATC …

mysticfm

@Randolf - forgive me for having to report this, but the updated release macro doesn’t seem to work any better in FSUIPC at least. The button still activates properly, and engages ATT mode if that mode hadn’t been engaged before … but if I press the button when ATT mode was already engaged, the mode doesn’t get re-enabled upon button release. If this is only an issue for FSUIPC (which I understand you no longer use), don’t worry about it … I can work around it until I learn enough above the macro programming to fix it myself (it looks like the macros use RPN ordering, yes?). If/when I do fix it, I’ll post my FSUIPC version.

Randolf

@mysticfm If you copied the code correctly, it should not be an issue of FSUIPC, it should work the same as for example in AAO, at least I don't see any obvious incompatibilities in the code that would be AAO specific.

Which GPS panel configuration are you using?

If I understand your problem correctly, when you are in ATT mode and press and then release the CWS button, autopilot re-engages but in a different mode than ATT? Which one?