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Some issues noted with 1.1

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    Mad_X
    wrote on last edited by Mad_X
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    First of all 1.1 is a great update! Love the flight model.
    I noticed a few issues:

    Autopilot UP / DOWN rocker switch
    Its inverted for IAS. UP lowers the nose and DOWN raises it.

    Autopilot BANK limiter
    Does only affect the FD but not the AP

    Landing Lights
    Still WAY to dim. Same for the taxi light. I was landing at a smaller airport tonight with no center line taxi lights and it was impossible to taxi with the taxi light. With the landing lights on it was barely ok. During the landing I was flaring into a black hole as the ground got illuminated maybe 5-10 feet before touchdown.

    Windshield Anti-Ice on side windows
    Do we know if t he side windows have anti-ice? As I read the POH the side windows are not heated.

    V/S Autopilot
    The V/S of the AP still shows a very aggressive behavior when diving for the selected value.

    Cruise speed at FL300 / 310
    When comparing the tables the cruise speed is very high. Normal cruise at -48°C OAT should be 94% and 303-306kt. But I was screaming along at 315kts. Weight did match.
    Also with the bleed on high I should cruise at 82% but I did not, I stayed at 94%. Shouldn't this lead to issue with the pressurization and temperature control (cabin would not keep the selected ~22 °C)?

    Thank you very much for the hard work and the amazing plane. As it is a complex machine I don't mind these issue and I am sure you will iron them out :).

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      First of all 1.1 is a great update! Love the flight model.
      I noticed a few issues:

      Autopilot UP / DOWN rocker switch
      Its inverted for IAS. UP lowers the nose and DOWN raises it.

      Autopilot BANK limiter
      Does only affect the FD but not the AP

      Landing Lights
      Still WAY to dim. Same for the taxi light. I was landing at a smaller airport tonight with no center line taxi lights and it was impossible to taxi with the taxi light. With the landing lights on it was barely ok. During the landing I was flaring into a black hole as the ground got illuminated maybe 5-10 feet before touchdown.

      Windshield Anti-Ice on side windows
      Do we know if t he side windows have anti-ice? As I read the POH the side windows are not heated.

      V/S Autopilot
      The V/S of the AP still shows a very aggressive behavior when diving for the selected value.

      Cruise speed at FL300 / 310
      When comparing the tables the cruise speed is very high. Normal cruise at -48°C OAT should be 94% and 303-306kt. But I was screaming along at 315kts. Weight did match.
      Also with the bleed on high I should cruise at 82% but I did not, I stayed at 94%. Shouldn't this lead to issue with the pressurization and temperature control (cabin would not keep the selected ~22 °C)?

      Thank you very much for the hard work and the amazing plane. As it is a complex machine I don't mind these issue and I am sure you will iron them out :).

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      ZenIT_SWE
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      @mad_x said in Some issues noted with 1.1:

      Autopilot UP / DOWN rocker switch
      Its inverted for IAS. UP lowers the nose and DOWN raises it.

      I'm quite certain this is the correct behavior. Pressing UP means "increase IAS" and thus the nose will come down. This is how it works in other aircraft at least.

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        @mad_x said in Some issues noted with 1.1:

        Autopilot UP / DOWN rocker switch
        Its inverted for IAS. UP lowers the nose and DOWN raises it.

        I'm quite certain this is the correct behavior. Pressing UP means "increase IAS" and thus the nose will come down. This is how it works in other aircraft at least.

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        Mad_X
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        @zenit_swe said in Some issues noted with 1.1:

        @mad_x said in Some issues noted with 1.1:

        Autopilot UP / DOWN rocker switch
        Its inverted for IAS. UP lowers the nose and DOWN raises it.

        I'm quite certain this is the correct behavior. Pressing UP means "increase IAS" and thus the nose will come down. This is how it works in other aircraft at least.

        I’m that case the V/S speed is wrong. ;)

        Both work in opposite directions.

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          @mad_x said in Some issues noted with 1.1:

          Autopilot UP / DOWN rocker switch
          Its inverted for IAS. UP lowers the nose and DOWN raises it.

          I'm quite certain this is the correct behavior. Pressing UP means "increase IAS" and thus the nose will come down. This is how it works in other aircraft at least.

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          JetNoise
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          @zenit_swe said in Some issues noted with 1.1:

          @mad_x said in Some issues noted with 1.1:

          Autopilot UP / DOWN rocker switch
          Its inverted for IAS. UP lowers the nose and DOWN raises it.

          I'm quite certain this is the correct behavior. Pressing UP means "increase IAS" and thus the nose will come down. This is how it works in other aircraft at least.

          Exactly,
          how else would the aircraft be able to gain speed with the current power (throttle) set....
          Once it has reached the IAS selected, it'll pitch up again to maintain that speed, IF power is sufficiant to do so
          Oliver

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            @zenit_swe said in Some issues noted with 1.1:

            @mad_x said in Some issues noted with 1.1:

            Autopilot UP / DOWN rocker switch
            Its inverted for IAS. UP lowers the nose and DOWN raises it.

            I'm quite certain this is the correct behavior. Pressing UP means "increase IAS" and thus the nose will come down. This is how it works in other aircraft at least.

            Exactly,
            how else would the aircraft be able to gain speed with the current power (throttle) set....
            Once it has reached the IAS selected, it'll pitch up again to maintain that speed, IF power is sufficiant to do so
            Oliver

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            paintedfloors
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            @jetnoise

            Windshield Anti-Ice on side windows
            Do we know if t he side windows have anti-ice?
            As I read the POH the side windows are not heated.

            I know that other developers (such as Flysimware for the C414) have removed icing graphics from the side windows as they have said that icing tends to be minimal on those compared to the windshield. I’ve only ever been a passenger on flights and have noticed that ice builds up sometimes on the cabin windows, but not sure of the reality for GA aircraft.

            I don’t think MSFS lets you remove their icing effect on only some windows though. All or nothing I believe.

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              @jetnoise

              Windshield Anti-Ice on side windows
              Do we know if t he side windows have anti-ice?
              As I read the POH the side windows are not heated.

              I know that other developers (such as Flysimware for the C414) have removed icing graphics from the side windows as they have said that icing tends to be minimal on those compared to the windshield. I’ve only ever been a passenger on flights and have noticed that ice builds up sometimes on the cabin windows, but not sure of the reality for GA aircraft.

              I don’t think MSFS lets you remove their icing effect on only some windows though. All or nothing I believe.

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              JetNoise
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              @paintedfloors wrong quote ;-)

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                @zenit_swe said in Some issues noted with 1.1:

                @mad_x said in Some issues noted with 1.1:

                Autopilot UP / DOWN rocker switch
                Its inverted for IAS. UP lowers the nose and DOWN raises it.

                I'm quite certain this is the correct behavior. Pressing UP means "increase IAS" and thus the nose will come down. This is how it works in other aircraft at least.

                Exactly,
                how else would the aircraft be able to gain speed with the current power (throttle) set....
                Once it has reached the IAS selected, it'll pitch up again to maintain that speed, IF power is sufficiant to do so
                Oliver

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                Mad_X
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                @jetnoise Yes and if you want to gain speed the nose most come down. Hence the "Down" rocker switch.

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                  @jetnoise Yes and if you want to gain speed the nose most come down. Hence the "Down" rocker switch.

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                  JetNoise
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                  @mad_x I know ;-)
                  I am refering to the post of ZenIT ...
                  I'll start a flight in the next moments and do some testing in regards ...

                  Oliver

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                    Black Square
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                    Hi All,

                    I have addressed some of these notes elsewhere, but I thought I would post them here too. Thank you for all the feedback.

                    Autopilot UP / DOWN rocker switch
                    I believe the current implementation is correct, but the KMC 321 Mode Controller's manual does not provide any insight into the directionality. Let me know if you can find something that documents this, and I will make the change.

                    Autopilot BANK limiter
                    This is a bug in the Working Title autopilot implementation. I thought I let a note in the manual, but I guess I forgot. I have mentioned it to them tangentially during development, but I will bring it up in earnest next time I write to them. If you are using the default autopilot implementation with the TDS GTNxi, non-WT mod PMS50 GTN, or no GPS at all, then the bank should be properly limited.

                    Landing Lights
                    I can never seem to make the exterior lights bright enough for my users, haha. I usually set the brightness to what I would expect looking out the windows of my own airplane, and then double it. No matter how much I increase the brightness, people always want more. Unfortunately, the light implementation in MSFS can produce comically bright halos around the lights during the daytime when the brightness is very high. Somewhere in between lies a compromise, which can always be override by mods.

                    Windshield Anti-Ice on side windows
                    The cockpit side windows have defroster vents, which can be used to deice the windows. The cabin windows have nothing. Unfortunately, the MSFS window deicing system is all or nothing, meaning that we cannot define parts that should be iced or deiced. I might see if I can come up with a clever trick at some point, but 90% of the features in my aircraft are "clever tricks" to get around the default MSFS limitations, and each one adds compounding complexity.

                    V/S Autopilot
                    I will still look into this. I just haven't yet. I'm not sure there is anything that can be done about it without compromising the autopilot's performance in turbulence, but I will see what I can do.

                    Cruise speed at FL300 / 310
                    I cannot reproduce any performance disparities quite this dramatic, but what I have found is that low performance cruise (long range cruise) tends to be faster than book values, while high performance cruise is right on the book numbers to the knot. I chose to go with this approach, because I figured most simulator pilots would not be flying to save fuel, haha. I've made a tiny adjustment for the next update.

                    Thanks for the feedback again!
                    Nick C.

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