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Extremly sensitive pitch trim SU8 beta

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    The_Paid_Actor
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    I had the issue in Turbo Arrow, with the trim being very sensitive and taking a lot of input to be applied. Could probably be rectified with a different input curve in the controls options, but then that applies to all the planes. Maybe possible to apply a trim multiplier in the settings inside the virtual tablet?

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      Most likely because of one alteration to remove the 'pitch jerks' referred to elsewhere. I was concerned that this would be an issue.

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      @delta558 Yeah, I'm seeing the same thing. I never saw any pitch jerks, but now the plane is nigh unflyable. A little tap on the trim and I go screaming up or down by +-600fpm

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        Could everyone be more specific on this. How are adjusting the trim? By mouse in the cockpit? By hardware? If by hardware, what are you using to control it, the built in control options or 3rd party software?

        Reason I ask is I use spad, and have never had any issue with trimming or whatever this "pitch jerk" thing is. A similar issue was brought up about another plane, and when I changed my settings from spad to the sims control options for the trim I saw what was being talked about.

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          @delta558 Yeah, I'm seeing the same thing. I never saw any pitch jerks, but now the plane is nigh unflyable. A little tap on the trim and I go screaming up or down by +-600fpm

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          @jmarkows Are you also using the SU8 beta? We currently support only SU7 so it'd be good to confirm if this issue is affecting SU7 users too.

          As above, it'd also be useful to know your trim control method. I have no issues with trimming for level flight with buttons assigned to trim up/down events, so does this only affect the axis event?

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            @jmarkows Are you also using the SU8 beta? We currently support only SU7 so it'd be good to confirm if this issue is affecting SU7 users too.

            As above, it'd also be useful to know your trim control method. I have no issues with trimming for level flight with buttons assigned to trim up/down events, so does this only affect the axis event?

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            @martyn Yes, I am using SU8.

            I have two methods of trim: the wheel on the Logitech Multifunction Panel, which still works tolerably well because of the fine control it gives, and the trim up/down commands on my yoke that cause the wild swings. The wheel on the Logitech isn't an axis I don't think.

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              Someone replied in a topic on the FS forums about it that they're not seeing the wild pitch swings, but they're still using the mainline SU7.

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                Please try the hotfix: https://community.justflight.com/topic/1806/update-change-logs-v0-10-2-released-edited-23-2-22

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                  Please try the hotfix: https://community.justflight.com/topic/1806/update-change-logs-v0-10-2-released-edited-23-2-22

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                  @martyn said in Extremly sensitive pitch trim SU8 beta:

                  Please try the hotfix: https://community.justflight.com/topic/1806/update-change-logs-v0-10-2-released-edited-23-2-22

                  Will give it a try later today, thanks for getting it uploaded and posted.

                  Question: what do you mean by "electric trim button is off?" When I use the tab on my yoke for trim up/down I see the button on the VC yoke move, which I assume is the electric trim, but I have no idea how to turn it off.

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                    @martyn said in Extremly sensitive pitch trim SU8 beta:

                    Please try the hotfix: https://community.justflight.com/topic/1806/update-change-logs-v0-10-2-released-edited-23-2-22

                    Will give it a try later today, thanks for getting it uploaded and posted.

                    Question: what do you mean by "electric trim button is off?" When I use the tab on my yoke for trim up/down I see the button on the VC yoke move, which I assume is the electric trim, but I have no idea how to turn it off.

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                    @jmarkows There is a pushbutton just below where the left yoke meets the instrument panel (easier to see with the yoke hidden).

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                      Please try the hotfix: https://community.justflight.com/topic/1806/update-change-logs-v0-10-2-released-edited-23-2-22

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                      @martyn said in Extremly sensitive pitch trim SU8 beta:

                      Please try the hotfix: https://community.justflight.com/topic/1806/update-change-logs-v0-10-2-released-edited-23-2-22

                      Martyn,

                      Thanks for putting together and releasing the hotfix. The heading bug is how working again, and the pitch trim is definitely better l, though still far more sensitive than it was previously. I'm only adding a little bit, just a tap on the up/down switch, but it has a drastic effect. I don't immediately go flying up or down anymore, but climb attitude and level flight are certainly using far less trim now.

                      Not sure if that's intentional or not with the new flight model. I'm just used to the old one and I have no experience with the real thing to know either way

                      Although, I'm having an issue with the heading bug; it used to increment by one with each "click," now it will randomly start jumping by 10 or more and go flying around the DG. It's useable, just annoying, and it didn't happen previously.

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                        @jmarkows Agree, not sure the pitch trim sensitivity is all that much better after the hotfix, even with the electric trim turned off.

                        Heading bug is working, but wish it didn't have the acceleration when the key is held down.

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                          Thanks for confirming the fix. We can easily remove the acceleration feature.

                          Martyn - Development Manager

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                              Maybe it's a bit sensitive, but for my part, I'm super happy that I'm finally able to use my Bravo trim wheel and feel like it's actually doing something. haha

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                                v0.10.3 can now be downloaded from your Just Flight account.

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                                  Thanks for confirming the fix. We can easily remove the acceleration feature.

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                                  @martyn said in Extremly sensitive pitch trim SU8 beta:

                                  We can easily remove the acceleration feature.

                                  Thanks very much for that.....MUCH better!

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                                    @martyn said in Extremly sensitive pitch trim SU8 beta:

                                    We can easily remove the acceleration feature.

                                    Thanks very much for that.....MUCH better!

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                                    @kc-pilot said in Extremly sensitive pitch trim SU8 beta:

                                    @martyn said in Extremly sensitive pitch trim SU8 beta:

                                    We can easily remove the acceleration feature.

                                    Thanks very much for that.....MUCH better!

                                    Is the acceleration removed in the 10.3 installer? The notes don't say one way or the other.

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                                      @kc-pilot said in Extremly sensitive pitch trim SU8 beta:

                                      @martyn said in Extremly sensitive pitch trim SU8 beta:

                                      We can easily remove the acceleration feature.

                                      Thanks very much for that.....MUCH better!

                                      Is the acceleration removed in the 10.3 installer? The notes don't say one way or the other.

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                                      @jmarkows it is!

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                                        @jmarkows it is!

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                                        @kc-pilot Excellent, thanks!

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                                          I've spent a few more hours in the Arrow since the update. I'm not using anywhere near the range of travel with the trim, either forwards or backwards, since SU8 and the 10.3 update as I was before it. It's better than it was immediately after SU8, but it's still pretty sensitive and I'm happy I have the wheel in the Logitech Multi Panel instead of needing to use a trim up/down button.

                                          Is this sill being looked at, or is it in a state you guys are happy with? I freely admit I have no real world flying experience, just the hours I put into the Arrow pre-SU8 as a comparison, but going from a lot of nose down for cruise to being able to blow on the wheel seems like a drastic leap.

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