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    zman7887
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    Pitching up works just fine, but when pitching down, the yoke moves correctly, but the stabilator only moves a little and then stops. if there is a fix or this is intentional, that would be great to know.

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      Mark
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      The real-world aircraft does have a difference in elevator deflection angles on each side of neutral (+16 degrees and -8 degrees off the top of my head), so it is expected behaviour to see the difference in movement range.

      However, from my discussions with our flight model developer, the difference in elevator deflection angle on either side of neutral is something MSFS doesn't handle all too well, so the small deflection angle is necessary in order to preserve the handling qualities of the aircraft.

      Essentially, even with that small deflection angle that you are seeing in the latest build, the aircraft should have a similar level of effectiveness as if it had the larger deflection angle.

      Hope that helps.

      Mark - Just Flight

      Just Flight Development Assistant

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        Hi. I am also having a problem with the elevator with FS2024. Works fine on 2020 been flying it for ages. Moved over to 2024 this week to give it a try. Installed the latest 2024 version of the aircraft as of 29/07/25. In my case, the cockpit yoke seems to work fine and mimics my joystick inputs. I'm having a lot of trouble getting the aircraft to pitch down though. Every flight starts with +27% trim which is super annoying and pitches me right up. I dial that back down to 0 but the aircraft still wants to pitch up constantly. I've tried moving the CG around and put it all the way forwards but this doesn't seem to change anything. Checked flaps, tried reducing speed. If I pitch up, the aircraft immediately points towards the sky its almost as if the dead zone has some kind of high pitch offset. I tried the 172 and also the "other" PA28 included, these work fine without changes. Not sure what else I can try. On the bright side, it is now almost impossible to crash!

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          As far as I recall, the stabiliser trim logic is identical in both 2020 and 2024 versions of our PA28s, and in both sims it is set to default to 0%.

          With the behaviour only occurring in 2024, there are a few things I would recommend checking:

          1. On the EFB > Aircraft page, ensure the "State Saving" option is disabled and then restart the flight. This will ensure the aircraft loads in its intended default state.

          2. Check any external hardware for anything that could be controlling the stabiliser trim. For example, you may have a trim wheel that is setting the elevator trim to a nose-up value by default.

          3. Temporarily unplug any external hardware you have (yoke, throttle quadrant, etc.) and restart the flight. If the stabiliser trim defaults to the neutral position, then that likely confirms a control conflict with your external hardware. If you then plug your external hardware back in and go to MSFS Settings > Controls, select your external hardware on the left side of the page, and then search for any control assignments that may be setting the stabiliser trim and delete them (I believe they should all come under "ELEVATOR TRIM").

          Hope that helps.

          Mark - Just Flight

          Just Flight Development Assistant

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            Hi Mark thank you for your reply. I don't have any peripherals plugged in, I'm only using an Xbox Controller with the MS USB dongle. I tried what you suggested and disabled state saving and restarted the flight but the trim was now at 36%. This was with no xbox controller at all, just the keyboard and mouse. I've also tried reinstalling MS2024 from scratch and only installing PA28 aircraft. This doesn't change it. The trim has always been set between 25-40% even from the first time I installed the aircraft. Doesn't do it on any other aircraft.

            I have noticed that it only happens when I start the flight already airborne, which is how I normally start. I tried tonight starting from a runway and the trim was correct at 0%. So it looks like a bug in the software if you start in the air, the trim is preset to roughly 30%. I confirmed this by doing the runway start. Then leaving the flight and starting again in the air, and the trim was back to 37%

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              Not sure if this will help or not. Last night I played FS2024 on my xbox one. I selected the A10 warthog and started mid-flight and the trim was set to 50%! So it could be an issue with FS2024 itself. I wasn't able to test the JF PA28 as I don't own it on Xbox.

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