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    OwlInFlight
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    I noticed I don't get the "retract flaps" callout unless I pitch to 15 degrees in initial climb after retracting landing gear. I've stuck at 10 degrees a couple times.

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      Martyn
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      Here is some information on what conditions trigger the take-off and climb phases for the callouts, and then what triggers each callout during that phase:

      Take-off phase:

      • Aircraft is on the ground

      • Throttle levers set to greater than 40%

      • Strobe lights switched on

      • Landing lights switched on

        "Thrust set" - throttles in detent position or thrust indicator at 100%
        "80 knots" - ASI reading 80 KIAS or greater
        "Rotate" - ASI reading VR speed or greater (as shown on speeds card)
        "Positive rate of climb, gear up" - Above 50ft AGL, vertical speed greater than 500ft/min, gear down

      Climb phase:

      • Gear up

      • Above 50ft AGL

      • Vertical speed greater than 500ft/min

        "Flap 11" - Above 600ft AGL, flaps set to greater than 11 degrees
        "Flaps up" - Above 800ft AGL, flaps set to greater than 0 degrees, ASI reading greater than VFTO speed (as shown on speeds card)
        "Set power" - Above 1000ft AGL, flaps up, ASI reading greater than VFTO speed (as shown on speeds card)

      Martyn - Development Manager

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      • MartynM Martyn

        Here is some information on what conditions trigger the take-off and climb phases for the callouts, and then what triggers each callout during that phase:

        Take-off phase:

        • Aircraft is on the ground

        • Throttle levers set to greater than 40%

        • Strobe lights switched on

        • Landing lights switched on

          "Thrust set" - throttles in detent position or thrust indicator at 100%
          "80 knots" - ASI reading 80 KIAS or greater
          "Rotate" - ASI reading VR speed or greater (as shown on speeds card)
          "Positive rate of climb, gear up" - Above 50ft AGL, vertical speed greater than 500ft/min, gear down

        Climb phase:

        • Gear up

        • Above 50ft AGL

        • Vertical speed greater than 500ft/min

          "Flap 11" - Above 600ft AGL, flaps set to greater than 11 degrees
          "Flaps up" - Above 800ft AGL, flaps set to greater than 0 degrees, ASI reading greater than VFTO speed (as shown on speeds card)
          "Set power" - Above 1000ft AGL, flaps up, ASI reading greater than VFTO speed (as shown on speeds card)

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        eker
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        @martyn
        Thanks!
        I am not using strobe lights - probable cause.
        Is it mentioned in manual? Did I miss it?

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        • MartynM Martyn

          Here is some information on what conditions trigger the take-off and climb phases for the callouts, and then what triggers each callout during that phase:

          Take-off phase:

          • Aircraft is on the ground

          • Throttle levers set to greater than 40%

          • Strobe lights switched on

          • Landing lights switched on

            "Thrust set" - throttles in detent position or thrust indicator at 100%
            "80 knots" - ASI reading 80 KIAS or greater
            "Rotate" - ASI reading VR speed or greater (as shown on speeds card)
            "Positive rate of climb, gear up" - Above 50ft AGL, vertical speed greater than 500ft/min, gear down

          Climb phase:

          • Gear up

          • Above 50ft AGL

          • Vertical speed greater than 500ft/min

            "Flap 11" - Above 600ft AGL, flaps set to greater than 11 degrees
            "Flaps up" - Above 800ft AGL, flaps set to greater than 0 degrees, ASI reading greater than VFTO speed (as shown on speeds card)
            "Set power" - Above 1000ft AGL, flaps up, ASI reading greater than VFTO speed (as shown on speeds card)

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          lancealotg
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          @martyn
          Could you provide the conditions for landing also.
          I am hit and miss on getting landing flaps and gear call outs.
          Thanks

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            Martyn
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            Approach phase:

            • ASI reading less than 250 KIAS
            • Less than 6000ft AGL
            • Vertical speed less than -500ft/min
            • Or BEAM mode engaged and localiser captured
            • Or GLIDE mode engaged and glideslope captured

            "Course bar active" - localiser alive, course bar moving
            "Localiser" - localiser captured
            "Glideslope" - glideslope captured
            "Speed" - ASI reading less than VREF - 5 KIAS and above 150ft AGL
            "100 feet to minimums" - 100ft above radio altimeter bug height
            "Minimums" - At radio altimeter bug height
            "Flaps 11" - Less than 3000ft AGL, ASI reading less than 190 KIAS, flaps set to less than 11 degrees
            "Flaps 25" - Less than 2000ft AGL, ASI reading less than 160 KIAS, flaps set to less than 25 degrees
            "Flaps 42" - Less than 1500ft AGL, ASI reading less than 150 KIAS, flaps set to less than 42 degrees
            "Gear down" - Less than 2500ft AGL, ASI reading less than 170 KIAS, gear not down

            Martyn - Development Manager

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            • MartynM Martyn

              Approach phase:

              • ASI reading less than 250 KIAS
              • Less than 6000ft AGL
              • Vertical speed less than -500ft/min
              • Or BEAM mode engaged and localiser captured
              • Or GLIDE mode engaged and glideslope captured

              "Course bar active" - localiser alive, course bar moving
              "Localiser" - localiser captured
              "Glideslope" - glideslope captured
              "Speed" - ASI reading less than VREF - 5 KIAS and above 150ft AGL
              "100 feet to minimums" - 100ft above radio altimeter bug height
              "Minimums" - At radio altimeter bug height
              "Flaps 11" - Less than 3000ft AGL, ASI reading less than 190 KIAS, flaps set to less than 11 degrees
              "Flaps 25" - Less than 2000ft AGL, ASI reading less than 160 KIAS, flaps set to less than 25 degrees
              "Flaps 42" - Less than 1500ft AGL, ASI reading less than 150 KIAS, flaps set to less than 42 degrees
              "Gear down" - Less than 2500ft AGL, ASI reading less than 170 KIAS, gear not down

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              lancealotg
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              @martyn
              Thanks Martyn, great information.

              Curious to why you have the less than -500 fpm as a condition.
              I sometimes have to descend greater than that if ATC keeps me high.
              Might explain why sometimes I get the landing call-outs and sometimes I don't.

              I would think once your ASI is less than 190 KIAS, you should be bringing out your flaps regardless of what your vertical speed is.

              I don't expect you to change your program just for me but is there a "tweak" that I could apply to remove the vertical speed condition?
              Might give me more reliable landing call outs.

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                @martyn
                Thanks Martyn, great information.

                Curious to why you have the less than -500 fpm as a condition.
                I sometimes have to descend greater than that if ATC keeps me high.
                Might explain why sometimes I get the landing call-outs and sometimes I don't.

                I would think once your ASI is less than 190 KIAS, you should be bringing out your flaps regardless of what your vertical speed is.

                I don't expect you to change your program just for me but is there a "tweak" that I could apply to remove the vertical speed condition?
                Might give me more reliable landing call outs.

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                Martyn
                JF Staff
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                @lancealotg Apologies, I do mean greater than -500fpm, e.g. -700fpm, -1500fpm etc

                Martyn - Development Manager

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                • MartynM Martyn

                  @lancealotg Apologies, I do mean greater than -500fpm, e.g. -700fpm, -1500fpm etc

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                  lancealotg
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                  @martyn
                  Got it, thanks for the help.

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                    Fab10
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                    I have always heard sounds including music during boarding, cabins crew, FO, etc.

                    Except today, when I started my flight C&D at EGCC I didn’t hear any of these standard calls, except that I did get calls during the approach and landing phase, as well as taxiing in.

                    What are the triggers from a C&D state to get the ball rolling in terms of crew calls?

                    Thanks.

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                      I have always heard sounds including music during boarding, cabins crew, FO, etc.

                      Except today, when I started my flight C&D at EGCC I didn’t hear any of these standard calls, except that I did get calls during the approach and landing phase, as well as taxiing in.

                      What are the triggers from a C&D state to get the ball rolling in terms of crew calls?

                      Thanks.

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                      b3lt3r
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                      @fab10 do you have headphone mode simulated in the MS sound menu? When I do that I lose the 1000' to go tone and the crew announcement about starting service but still have the rest.

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                      • b3lt3rB b3lt3r

                        @fab10 do you have headphone mode simulated in the MS sound menu? When I do that I lose the 1000' to go tone and the crew announcement about starting service but still have the rest.

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                        @b3lt3r No, that’s not enabled.
                        Usually I hear all sounds, just yesterday, none until landing phase.

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