Great philosophy and product, but I must be doing something wrong
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Hi
First of all a great Thank you to Just Flight - I really appreciate the effort put into FS Traffic. I think this product has the right philosophy (FPS friendly and using flight plans instead of real-life aircraft movements as this leads to 'no traffic' at airports whenever these are quiet in real life). So, thanks again!
I really believe in the potential of this product as the frame rates have been exceptionally better than when using other traffic tools, and the models look really nice.
We're all aware FS Traffic has just come out, so some issues are likely to emerge. For me, I'm having trouble getting traffic at busy airports. E.g. in EDDF (Frankfurt), according to the flight plan, take offs and landings should happen almost by the minute. However, I have about one take off about every 10 minutes and no landings at all, even after 20 minutes of watching. Here are my settings. What am I doing wrong?
Here's the map with traffic. The airport is packed, but very few departures, and no landings.
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@deepsky said in Great philosophy and product, but I must be doing something wrong:
@bpfonteyn I'm not talking about the arrival airport. This is the departure airport.
Same thing. JF know there are issues with aircraft not spawning in at some departure and destination airports, as well as en route traffic.
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@bpfonteyn @deepsky
Some customers have missing traffic at departure, arrival and enroute, We are also looking at ways to improve this. However, the reasons are not always the same and it doesn't affect everyone - that is why we have been asking customers to contact Support so we can see what is causing their particular issue.
Two things to check:
- Is this a default or a third party version of Frankfurt?
- Ground clutter/objects. You may be hitting the maximum object limit for that airport. Worth checking the settings: https://support.justflight.com/support/solutions/articles/17000131092-why-are-all-my-ai-aircraft-invisible-i-can-see-jetways-connecting-to-invisible-aircraft-
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@derek Thanks for responding so quickly. It's the default Asobo version within the Premium Deluxe version.
If I'm already hitting the maximum object count with the settings posted above (all sliders to the minimum except for 'airport vehicle density at 1), then it looks like there's no way to ever get the right amount of traffic at a big airport (?).
@bpfonteyn I had a look at the thread you posted. The 'answer' wasn't that easy to find, given the thread is captioned 'No traffic at arrival airport' ... ;)
Anyways, it looks like FS Traffic generally spawns too few aircraft at departure, arrival airport and en route. The simple question for me is: If the flight plan shows certain flights and the models exist within FS Traffic, why do the planes not appear in the Sim when they should. E.g. why does a Lufthansa 747-400 not land at EDDF at, say, 12.00 PM though model and livery exist (and object count is not at the limit)? I believe that's the question to ask.
I still believe in this product, even if it may take some time to fix the issues.
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Yes, it is a frustration. We just have to wait on JF. I don't think there's much we can do.
I just landed at EGLL as I have done on a number of occasions. Sometimes EGLL is bustling with traffic on my arrival. Sometimes, like just now, it's empty.
I think I saw a dev post that said they were hoping to get another update out next week. Fingers crossed. :grinning_face:
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@deepsky said in Great philosophy and product, but I must be doing something wrong:
@derek Thanks for responding so quickly. It's the default Asobo version within the Premium Deluxe version.
If I'm already hitting the maximum object count with the settings posted above (all sliders to the minimum except for 'airport vehicle density at 1), then it looks like there's no way to ever get the right amount of traffic at a big airport (?).
@bpfonteyn I had a look at the thread you posted. The 'answer' wasn't that easy to find, given the thread is captioned 'No traffic at arrival airport' ... ;)
Anyways, it looks like FS Traffic generally spawns too few aircraft at departure, arrival airport and en route. The simple question for me is: If the flight plan shows certain flights and the models exist within FS Traffic, why do the planes not appear in the Sim when they should. E.g. why does a Lufthansa 747-400 not land at EDDF at, say, 12.00 PM though model and livery exist (and object count is not at the limit)? I believe that's the question to ask.
I still believe in this product, even if it may take some time to fix the issues.
You are the second person to mention Frankfurt, so it could be an issue there... However, if it's not too much hassle, can you try somewhere like Munich or Bonn?
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@derek Thank you for your response.
I just tried EDDM/Munich and are having the same issue, i.e. very little traffic on arrival and departure. I waited for 10-15 minutes and no airplane has landed yet, and none are on arrival.
Before starting the Sim, I deactivated all addons this time (except for FS Traffic) but it made no difference.
EDDM about 10 minutes after starting the session:
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@goose-28 I.e. you have the right number of departing and arriving aircraft? I don't, unfortunately.
I also noted that FS Traffic displays very distant aircraft, as can be seen from the screenshot you posted. When I checked last time on LittleNavMap, I could see planes as far away as 1,000 km. I don't think that's a good use of CPU power. I would rather have more planes close to me.
I helped myself with a trick that I came across somewhere else. I am using both FSLTL and FS Traffic at the same time, while ensuring FSLTL only uses FS Traffic models. I also unlinked the FSLTL fleet from the Community folder to make sure none of the FSLTL models are used as a fallback. This gives me reasonable frame rates and a reasonable amount of traffic.
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Just replying to the thread I opened myself. After playing around with FS Traffic for quite a while, I have been able to make it work much better for me. If it helps others, here are the steps I've taken:
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As FS Traffic currently uses flight plans from 2022, we're automatically going to see much (!) less aircraft movements as these flight plans were affected by Corona. It means you'll see up to 50% less aircraft movements. That's a lot! It may have been a better option to include 2019 flight plans with the release of FS Traffic, but it's ok, they will be provided later. If you want to see more traffic, you need to manually edit the flight plans. I've developed an efficient system of doing that using Excel and uploaded a sample of my work here. As you can see, the airports are extremely busy. https://flightsim.to/file/55822/fs-traffic-rush-hour-schedules-for-eddf-and-kjfk Happy to provide my excel file if anyone is interested.
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Most flight plans, also a consequence of Corona, only have 1, 2 or 3 flights per week for lots of the routes. This is because during Corona, airlines reduced the frequency of their flights. As we have the 2022 flight plans, you will certainly see more aircraft departing and landing at your airports if you simply replace the 'days' in the relevant flight plans for each route by "1234567*". This means the flights depart every day each week.
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If you want to see more aircraft at your airport, go to the FS Traffic Control Center options and set the timer to 180 minutes. My airports are much busier this way!
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Many FS Traffic flight plans have certain 'flights' included in them which you'll never see because FS Traffic does not yet have the model or the livery. I have been able to utilise FSLTL and AIG to a great extent and include their liveries and models in FS Traffic. This is giving me lots of Cargo traffic as well. Happy to elaborate further, but under the link I posted above, there's a short summary.
Hope this helps. My recommendation to the FS Traffic team (thanks for your work again, really appreciated!) is to ensure that by default, users have busy airports. This can easily be achieved by providing busier flight plans and including more liveries in FS Traffic. As a guideline, a large international airport should have 1,000-1,500 departures per day in non-crisis times. Almost none of the current FS Traffic flight plans, apart from Atlanta, offers this. If including more liveries isn't an option, I suggest that FS Traffic link FSLTL traffic by default where there is a gap. This would allow users to just install FSLTL in addition to FS Traffic and have the full benefits of both addons.
Below are a few pictures of how I managed to get my airports busy. I absolutely love it!
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@deepsky said in Great philosophy and product, but I must be doing something wrong:
Just replying to the thread I opened myself. After playing around with FS Traffic for quite a while, I have been able to make it work much better for me. If it helps others, here are the steps I've taken:
As FS Traffic currently uses flight plans from 2022, we're automatically going to see much (!) less aircraft movements as these flight plans were affected by Corona. It means you'll see up to 50% less aircraft movements. That's a lot! It may have been a better option to include 2019 flight plans with the release of FS Traffic, but it's ok, they will be provided later. If you want to see more traffic, you need to manual
Really great but so much manual editing! Would love to see JF update FS Traffic to include GA and Cargo and increase the volume. Empty airports are not what I bought FS Traffic for!
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@toby23 I see it exactly the same way.
It looks great, but I have so much data to download and edit! That is not in my mind. I want to enjoy a product. And not assemble it.I just hope JF adds more planes for this year. A343 -A346 and more.
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Yes I agree, it would be better if the user would not need to assemble the product. At least, what I can confirm is that the product by itself seems to be functional, with the exception of the flight plans not resembling real life, and quite a few missing models and liveries.
