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    jbbz
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    When the optional WT GNS530W is installed from marketplace, pressing GPS CDI button starts rapid toggle between GPS and VLOC states. Here is what I see in the XML - the aircraft is loading the standard template for AS530 buttons and the default action on 530 CDI button press is K:TOGGLE_GPS_DRIVES_NAV1. This template has been updated for GNS530W. This K event also effects the AP, and (guessing) Warrior seems to get into some sort of race condition inside the custom autopilot in this aircraft. Perhaps the AP source switch is also part of the unique behavior. The actual race is probably in the WASM for the AP and not the XML. Eventually something changes and the toggle ceases. Beyond GNS530W support changes, Just Flight needs to do a lot of modernization on this plane. For example a lot of tooltips no longer show. Does Just Flight have plan in place to modernize this aircraft to support the AAU1 sim update launch?

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      I have noticed this as well. Any suggestions on how to get round this until a fix I’d made.

      Thanks.

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        I have noticed this as well. Any suggestions on how to get round this until a fix I’d made.

        Thanks.

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        rcigliano
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        @rcigliano I just checked this on the default C172 Skyhawk and it works fine. This issue is making the plane almost unusable for me to use it since I have my hoMe simulator set up with a RealSimGear GNS 530 and would like to use it since I fly this configuration in real life.

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          @rcigliano I just checked this on the default C172 Skyhawk and it works fine. This issue is making the plane almost unusable for me to use it since I have my hoMe simulator set up with a RealSimGear GNS 530 and would like to use it since I fly this configuration in real life.

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          @rcigliano Same here, I bought the Warrior to practice instrument approaches with an airplane similar to what I fly in real life, and have the RealSimGear yoketop panel with GNS530/GNS430 and dual G5s and right now its just not useful when you can't get a GPS course on your HSI.

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            HaMa
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            You can uninstall the Working Title GNS's in the Content Manager.
            Maybe this solves your problem.

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              You can uninstall the Working Title GNS's in the Content Manager.
              Maybe this solves your problem.

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              Xantrass
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              @hama But thats only a workaround for the moment.

              I'm pretty sure the WT GNS will get the standard GNS when AAU1 finally arrives.

              I only experienced this problem in the Warrior 2 and my Turbo Arrow, so I would appreciate a fix asap.

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                @hama But thats only a workaround for the moment.

                I'm pretty sure the WT GNS will get the standard GNS when AAU1 finally arrives.

                I only experienced this problem in the Warrior 2 and my Turbo Arrow, so I would appreciate a fix asap.

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                HaMa
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                @xantrass i think i have found a solution.
                Do have the GTN750 from pms50 inatalled, too?
                If so, please go to the pms50 homepage, there you will find a hotfix for the GNS530 that solves the problem.
                And of course we have to wait for an updated version of the GNS530 that fixes this permanently.

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                  @xantrass i think i have found a solution.
                  Do have the GTN750 from pms50 inatalled, too?
                  If so, please go to the pms50 homepage, there you will find a hotfix for the GNS530 that solves the problem.
                  And of course we have to wait for an updated version of the GNS530 that fixes this permanently.

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                  @hama I don't have anything from pms50 installed.

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                    @hama I don't have anything from pms50 installed.

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                    HaMa
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                    @dguisinger ok, but maybe this patch solves your problem though.

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                      @xantrass i think i have found a solution.
                      Do have the GTN750 from pms50 inatalled, too?
                      If so, please go to the pms50 homepage, there you will find a hotfix for the GNS530 that solves the problem.
                      And of course we have to wait for an updated version of the GNS530 that fixes this permanently.

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                      Xantrass
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                      @hama Hey,

                      I do not have the GTN750 istalled.

                      But even after I installed the Freeware version and applied the toggle fix the problem still existed.

                      So no workaround for me except uninstalling the WT GNS.

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                        @hama Hey,

                        I do not have the GTN750 istalled.

                        But even after I installed the Freeware version and applied the toggle fix the problem still existed.

                        So no workaround for me except uninstalling the WT GNS.

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                        HaMa
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                        @xantrass ok, sorry to hear that, as i have no other idea.

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                          When the optional WT GNS530W is installed from marketplace, pressing GPS CDI button starts rapid toggle between GPS and VLOC states. Here is what I see in the XML - the aircraft is loading the standard template for AS530 buttons and the default action on 530 CDI button press is K:TOGGLE_GPS_DRIVES_NAV1. This template has been updated for GNS530W. This K event also effects the AP, and (guessing) Warrior seems to get into some sort of race condition inside the custom autopilot in this aircraft. Perhaps the AP source switch is also part of the unique behavior. The actual race is probably in the WASM for the AP and not the XML. Eventually something changes and the toggle ceases. Beyond GNS530W support changes, Just Flight needs to do a lot of modernization on this plane. For example a lot of tooltips no longer show. Does Just Flight have plan in place to modernize this aircraft to support the AAU1 sim update launch?

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                          Gabe777
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                          @jbbz

                          Toggle the GPS/NAV switch a couple of times.

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                            @jbbz

                            Toggle the GPS/NAV switch a couple of times.

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                            @gabe777 I haven't found that to work. I can't reliably get it to land on one or the other when it "stabilizes". If I want GPS it inevitably stabilizes on VLOC. If I want VLOC, it decides its going to run in GPS mode. If I can't actually chose which one i need based on the current situation in the cockpit the plane is worthless for shooting instrument approaches.

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                              @gabe777 I haven't found that to work. I can't reliably get it to land on one or the other when it "stabilizes". If I want GPS it inevitably stabilizes on VLOC. If I want VLOC, it decides its going to run in GPS mode. If I can't actually chose which one i need based on the current situation in the cockpit the plane is worthless for shooting instrument approaches.

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                              @dguisinger

                              Well hopefully JF will fix it.

                              It is annoying and happens every time I start it.

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                                rcigliano
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                                I have found no solution to this. Uninstalling the WT GNS530 should not be one since it will become the default version.

                                Can we hear an update on this.

                                Thanks

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                                  dguisinger
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                                  Still occurs after the MSFS AAU1 update

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                                    Still occurs after the MSFS AAU1 update

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                                    Europa27
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                                    @dguisinger I don't think much changed at all with the full AAU1 release compared to the last AAU1 beta we had. I imagine JF have fixed it with the upcoming PA28 updates. 🤞

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                                      HaMa
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                                      I had it after AAU1 too.
                                      So i opened the content manager and saw that there are two GNS430/530 by Working Title listet now. So i uninstalled the older one (the one with the picture of the GNS), went to my community folder and deleted the fix from pms50.
                                      After this the standard GNS worked as it should.

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                                        @dguisinger I don't think much changed at all with the full AAU1 release compared to the last AAU1 beta we had. I imagine JF have fixed it with the upcoming PA28 updates. 🤞

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                                        @europa27 I hope so, I haven't seen any indication that JF is working on an update. The last thing I saw from them from last year was Flight Sim changed so often they were holding off on updates.

                                        This is actually stopping me from spending more money with JF on other aircraft. I need to see that they actually fix and maintain them....

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                                          @europa27 I hope so, I haven't seen any indication that JF is working on an update. The last thing I saw from them from last year was Flight Sim changed so often they were holding off on updates.

                                          This is actually stopping me from spending more money with JF on other aircraft. I need to see that they actually fix and maintain them....

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                                          @dguisinger

                                          Have a look here (second from last post):
                                          https://community.justflight.com/topic/4064/update-for-the-best-ga-in-the-works/3

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