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  • S stopnicki

    Hi:
    First, congratulations to JF for the new release.
    Even just at first glance, it was worth the wait!

    Can we get some assistance with the assignments of specific 146 functions to joystick butons?

    For example. Is there an assignment to "click" the throttles out of fuel cut off into idle?

    Is there an assignment to select the Flight Director line up 5 degrees before take off?

    Is there an assignment for the joystick "sync mode" for the autopilot?

    I had found selections for all of these in my X-Plane BAe146, but I am having difficulty in MSFS.

    Thank you for these and any other assignments that folks might have already found and implemented.

    Regards,
    Roberto

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    Cygnific
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    @stopnicki

    Throttle Buttons are:

    PED_MID_ENG1_LATCH,1
    PED_MID_ENG2_LATCH,1
    PED_MID_ENG3_LATCH,1
    PED_MID_ENG4_LATCH,1

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      @stopnicki

      Throttle Buttons are:

      PED_MID_ENG1_LATCH,1
      PED_MID_ENG2_LATCH,1
      PED_MID_ENG3_LATCH,1
      PED_MID_ENG4_LATCH,1

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      stopnicki
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      @cygnific Thank you.

      I managed to set the throttle buttons with the:

      SET ENGINE "x" FUEL VALVE

      bindings of MSFS.

      It works like this in my Honeycomb Bravo. As the engine is revving up and N1 reaches 10%, I slide the appropriate throttle lever down into its lower button range and bring it back up into the axis range, the throttle unlatches, fuel is "ON" and engine starts.

      Works great.

      Now, for the Flight Director to move up 5deg (or is it 10 deg?) button, and,

      for the A/P Synch button (located on the outer left side of the yoke)

      I am investigating. Hopefully somebody else has already found them, because most of my flying is in VR and having such relevant buttons assigned to easily reached buttons is very helpful!
      Regards,
      Roberto

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      • S stopnicki

        @cygnific Thank you.

        I managed to set the throttle buttons with the:

        SET ENGINE "x" FUEL VALVE

        bindings of MSFS.

        It works like this in my Honeycomb Bravo. As the engine is revving up and N1 reaches 10%, I slide the appropriate throttle lever down into its lower button range and bring it back up into the axis range, the throttle unlatches, fuel is "ON" and engine starts.

        Works great.

        Now, for the Flight Director to move up 5deg (or is it 10 deg?) button, and,

        for the A/P Synch button (located on the outer left side of the yoke)

        I am investigating. Hopefully somebody else has already found them, because most of my flying is in VR and having such relevant buttons assigned to easily reached buttons is very helpful!
        Regards,
        Roberto

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        jmarkows
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        @stopnicki AP Sync is Toggle Afterburner. Unsure why not the in-game Sync control, but that's per the manual and I've confirmed it works.

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          @stopnicki AP Sync is Toggle Afterburner. Unsure why not the in-game Sync control, but that's per the manual and I've confirmed it works.

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          stopnicki
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          @jmarkows Wonderful.
          Thanks.
          Yes. I am going to read the manual during the weekend. I was just too eager to get going as I thought I was an "expert" with it in X-P.
          I learned the hard way, I am definitely not!!
          Thanks again!
          Roberto

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            Razalom
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            Is there a way to remove the yoke in the cockpit as trying to access certain functions in VR with it there is next to impossible. I clicked at the bottom like I have seen in XP but it wont disappear. Any ideas?

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            • R Razalom

              Is there a way to remove the yoke in the cockpit as trying to access certain functions in VR with it there is next to impossible. I clicked at the bottom like I have seen in XP but it wont disappear. Any ideas?

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              jmarkows
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              @razalom On either side of the cockpit is a pull handle to "adjust the rudder pedals" but in reality makes the yoke disappear.

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              • J jmarkows

                @stopnicki AP Sync is Toggle Afterburner. Unsure why not the in-game Sync control, but that's per the manual and I've confirmed it works.

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                Aseinsha
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                @jmarkows Thank you! I was looking for this information :D

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                  @razalom On either side of the cockpit is a pull handle to "adjust the rudder pedals" but in reality makes the yoke disappear.

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                  Razalom
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                  @jmarkows Cheers mate!

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                  • S stopnicki

                    @cygnific Thank you.

                    I managed to set the throttle buttons with the:

                    SET ENGINE "x" FUEL VALVE

                    bindings of MSFS.

                    It works like this in my Honeycomb Bravo. As the engine is revving up and N1 reaches 10%, I slide the appropriate throttle lever down into its lower button range and bring it back up into the axis range, the throttle unlatches, fuel is "ON" and engine starts.

                    Works great.

                    Now, for the Flight Director to move up 5deg (or is it 10 deg?) button, and,

                    for the A/P Synch button (located on the outer left side of the yoke)

                    I am investigating. Hopefully somebody else has already found them, because most of my flying is in VR and having such relevant buttons assigned to easily reached buttons is very helpful!
                    Regards,
                    Roberto

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                    Genista
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                    @stopnicki To avoid having to lower then bring back up the levers, you can change the bind setting from "On press" to "On release". That way, it works like the real thing.

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                    • G Genista

                      @stopnicki To avoid having to lower then bring back up the levers, you can change the bind setting from "On press" to "On release". That way, it works like the real thing.

                      1d4e29a6-4c8e-4a3c-9c7d-f16c393cbdbf-image.png

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                      jmarkows
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                      @genista Won't this only work for startup and not shutdown?

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                      • G Genista

                        @stopnicki To avoid having to lower then bring back up the levers, you can change the bind setting from "On press" to "On release". That way, it works like the real thing.

                        1d4e29a6-4c8e-4a3c-9c7d-f16c393cbdbf-image.png

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                        stopnicki
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                        @genista that is very, very helpful

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                        • G Genista

                          @stopnicki To avoid having to lower then bring back up the levers, you can change the bind setting from "On press" to "On release". That way, it works like the real thing.

                          1d4e29a6-4c8e-4a3c-9c7d-f16c393cbdbf-image.png

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                          stopnicki
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                          @genista actually, I need some help.
                          I am not sure how to apply your suggestion.
                          When I select the "TOGGLE.... " as in your diagram, the in-sim lever jumps up and down betwee fuel "ON" and "OFF"

                          If you could explain the sequence of steps for the assignment, and where you have the lever when you start an engine, that will help a lot.
                          Thanks!

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                          • S stopnicki

                            @genista actually, I need some help.
                            I am not sure how to apply your suggestion.
                            When I select the "TOGGLE.... " as in your diagram, the in-sim lever jumps up and down betwee fuel "ON" and "OFF"

                            If you could explain the sequence of steps for the assignment, and where you have the lever when you start an engine, that will help a lot.
                            Thanks!

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                            Genista
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                            @stopnicki you have to make sure the action type is set to "On Release". Otherwise it will indeed jump up and down !

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                            • J jmarkows

                              @genista Won't this only work for startup and not shutdown?

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                              stopnicki
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                              @jmarkows I found out that if you select
                              "SET ENGINE "x" FUEL VALVE" -> also with the "ON RELEASE" action type as was shown by @Genista
                              rather than "TOGGLE ENGINE "x" FUEL VALVE"
                              the button works for both ON and OFF

                              The way I work it is as follows.

                              Before start, all my throttle levers are down into the "button" area (i.e. BUTTON 25 for Throttle 1, BUTTON 26 for Throttle 2, etc. etc.)

                              Upon start, when N1 reaches 10%, I move the relevant throttle lever out of BUTTON "x" and into the throttle axis, and the in-sim lever goes from fuel "off" to fuel "on"

                              At the end of the flight, when you want to shut down the engines, you slide the throttle lever from the axis area, into the button area and the in-sim lever will go into the fuel off poistion.

                              Great advice from everybody on this post.
                              Thanks!

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                                muskysim
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                                Is the there a document that lists all the variables and events that can be used to assign the MCP functions to hardware peripherals using something such as FSUIPC7
                                Thanks

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                                • M muskysim

                                  Is the there a document that lists all the variables and events that can be used to assign the MCP functions to hardware peripherals using something such as FSUIPC7
                                  Thanks

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                                  haskell99
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                                  That would be helpful. I use Axis & Ohs and have almost everything working except a few. One is the preselect altitude. I can set my HC Bravo to control HDG and CRS but I’ve tried every variable for ALT increment/decrement and no luck. Anybody figure that one out?

                                  Thanks.

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                                    That would be helpful. I use Axis & Ohs and have almost everything working except a few. One is the preselect altitude. I can set my HC Bravo to control HDG and CRS but I’ve tried every variable for ALT increment/decrement and no luck. Anybody figure that one out?

                                    Thanks.

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                                    b3lt3r
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                                    @haskell99 I got my logitech multipanel working in SPAD this morning with Alt select. Not straight forward and there's probably a better way but this is what I did:

                                    1. Create a new local variable called bae-mcp-alt

                                    2. Add an expression to calculate that based on the individual digits:
                                      ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig1] * 10000) + ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig2] * 1000) + ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig3] * 100) + ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig4] * 10) + [LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig5]

                                    I could not find a simple variable in the data monitor with the aggregated value but this calculates correctly into the bae-mcp-var

                                    1. configured the ALT display on the panel with 3 events:
                                      a). Display local:bae_mcp_alt
                                      b). Increment MCP_Alt_sel_knob (LVAR) by 1
                                      c). as above but decrement

                                    note I had to set the range for sel_knob as 00-99 and allow rollover.

                                    It took me almost 2 hours to figure this out but now I can spin the knob on my panel and it updates the sim and displays correctly so it really helps.

                                    Side note: I have my panel thumbwheel configured to manage VS and that actually works in the BAE without needing to use the sync mode. I just enable VS in the FCP and use the wheel to dial in my desired rate which also displays in the panel under the selected alt.

                                    I wish all devs would document all key bindings and variable as well as the FBW team do in their docs. Any team writing a product as complex as these planes must have a reference guide for new coders on the team to get up to speed with. I know documentation is boring af but it could save all of us so much time figuring this stuff out on every plane :-)

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                                      @haskell99 I got my logitech multipanel working in SPAD this morning with Alt select. Not straight forward and there's probably a better way but this is what I did:

                                      1. Create a new local variable called bae-mcp-alt

                                      2. Add an expression to calculate that based on the individual digits:
                                        ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig1] * 10000) + ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig2] * 1000) + ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig3] * 100) + ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig4] * 10) + [LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig5]

                                      I could not find a simple variable in the data monitor with the aggregated value but this calculates correctly into the bae-mcp-var

                                      1. configured the ALT display on the panel with 3 events:
                                        a). Display local:bae_mcp_alt
                                        b). Increment MCP_Alt_sel_knob (LVAR) by 1
                                        c). as above but decrement

                                      note I had to set the range for sel_knob as 00-99 and allow rollover.

                                      It took me almost 2 hours to figure this out but now I can spin the knob on my panel and it updates the sim and displays correctly so it really helps.

                                      Side note: I have my panel thumbwheel configured to manage VS and that actually works in the BAE without needing to use the sync mode. I just enable VS in the FCP and use the wheel to dial in my desired rate which also displays in the panel under the selected alt.

                                      I wish all devs would document all key bindings and variable as well as the FBW team do in their docs. Any team writing a product as complex as these planes must have a reference guide for new coders on the team to get up to speed with. I know documentation is boring af but it could save all of us so much time figuring this stuff out on every plane :-)

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                                      @b3lt3r Ah, thanks for finding that. I just added to an open ticket I had with Just Flight asking if the MSFS commands worked because increase/decrease AP altitude didn't seem to be working.

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                                        @haskell99 I got my logitech multipanel working in SPAD this morning with Alt select. Not straight forward and there's probably a better way but this is what I did:

                                        1. Create a new local variable called bae-mcp-alt

                                        2. Add an expression to calculate that based on the individual digits:
                                          ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig1] * 10000) + ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig2] * 1000) + ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig3] * 100) + ([LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig4] * 10) + [LVAR:MCP_Alt_dig5]

                                        I could not find a simple variable in the data monitor with the aggregated value but this calculates correctly into the bae-mcp-var

                                        1. configured the ALT display on the panel with 3 events:
                                          a). Display local:bae_mcp_alt
                                          b). Increment MCP_Alt_sel_knob (LVAR) by 1
                                          c). as above but decrement

                                        note I had to set the range for sel_knob as 00-99 and allow rollover.

                                        It took me almost 2 hours to figure this out but now I can spin the knob on my panel and it updates the sim and displays correctly so it really helps.

                                        Side note: I have my panel thumbwheel configured to manage VS and that actually works in the BAE without needing to use the sync mode. I just enable VS in the FCP and use the wheel to dial in my desired rate which also displays in the panel under the selected alt.

                                        I wish all devs would document all key bindings and variable as well as the FBW team do in their docs. Any team writing a product as complex as these planes must have a reference guide for new coders on the team to get up to speed with. I know documentation is boring af but it could save all of us so much time figuring this stuff out on every plane :-)

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                                        haskell99
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                                        @b3lt3r You are a coding beast! Not sure I can make that work with my limited skills but gives me some ideas. Also agree, the dev had to know what VARS they are using… please share so we can make the hardware work!

                                        Thanks.

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                                        • H haskell99

                                          @b3lt3r You are a coding beast! Not sure I can make that work with my limited skills but gives me some ideas. Also agree, the dev had to know what VARS they are using… please share so we can make the hardware work!

                                          Thanks.

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                                          b3lt3r
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                                          @haskell99 let me know if you get stuck and I'll drop a screenshot from Spad or maybe try and upload a snippet for the panel.

                                          I am no beast - all trial, error and profanity - I'm certain Les O'Reilly or one of the other actual beasts on the spad discord could have done it better and faster but it works for me which is good enough (tm) :-)

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