Cargo traffic- FEDEX and UPS for Traffic Global and P3Dv5



  • Hi all!
    I was checking to see if anyone knows how to add UPS and other cargo airlines to Traffic Global. I did do the one for P3Dv4 and UT Live from David Blitch which worked out great. Is there anything like that for Traffic Global?

    Jon



  • This can be done with the My AI Flight plan tool but unfortunately the A300_600f FEDEX will not show in P3Dv5 even when planed correctly, they do not even show as an error in the error log.
    In my opinion TG is a long way from a install and compile AI program for the user and i hate to say this but many have already left for other AI programs, reading other sim forums mention TG and see the feedback on other forums, I have been with TG since the day of release traffic is lower now in the air than 6 months ago, and airports have less parked aircraft at major airports around the world.
    Lets hope the next update is better or i see no future for TG going forward, or i myself may throw the towel in.



  • Since the last update ended the Traffic Global (Early Access) phase, I think the following updates should improve low traffic at airports and Traffic Global would become a quality program.



  • @PilotJon
    One easy way to add UPS & Fedex (or any other carrier) would be via AIG's One Click Installer.



  • @martin11 said in Cargo traffic- FEDEX and UPS for Traffic Global and P3Dv5:

    Since the last update ended the Traffic Global (Early Access) phase, I think the following updates should improve low traffic at airports and Traffic Global would become a quality program.

    You mean the aircraft will actually show in the P3Dv5 and not like the present version.



  • @Ray-Fry
    I use FSX SE and overall there are few aircraft at the airports in the current version. But as Rich mentioned last time, the planes don't stand at the airport for a long time all day, but they fly more, which is of course better compared to the old versions.
    Aircraft traffic will increase at airports if it is identical to the flight database, which is still missing in the current version.


  • JF Staff

    Hi chaps,
    I'm afraid you will find that there is less traffic in P3D v5 compared to v4. Due to a change in the airport bgl format, the files we use to boost the amount of parking spaces at default airports are no longer compatible. Relying on only default airports and their underpopulated parking spaces means a reduction in traffic levels without a decent amount of freeware/payware airports to increase parking space availability. With Traffic Global being implemented before v5 came along, this wasn't something that we could anticipate.

    Future traffic levels are probably dependant on how wedded people are to basing aircraft movements on real world schedules. I'm happy to add an option that would artificially increase the amount of traffic in the sim, but generating extra flight plans via some rules and some degree of randomness instead of relying on the real database would inevitably require a compromise on accuracy.



  • @Rich
    I use FSX SE and I also have minimal traffic at airports. For example, at Vienna Airport there is a minimum number of aircraft. It would definitely want a tool to increase traffic.
    For me personally, it would not be an accurate flight plan that would be important, but increased traffic at airports.
    Martin



  • I use a custom TG Scenery folder which have built up over the past, all default airports that have flight plans in the database have extra parking and Cargo Parking, That how i got my traffic BGL upto 24,000kb before .6 now it is at 19,000kb and i have tools that show less traffic in the air at any one time.
    The early days of TG 48,000 flight plans.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/47972006111/in/dateposted-public/
    June this year P3Dv5.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/49877670172/in/dateposted-public/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/50168735568/in/dateposted-public/


  • JF Staff

    @Ray-Fry said in Cargo traffic- FEDEX and UPS for Traffic Global and P3Dv5:

    I use a custom TG Scenery folder which have built up over the past, all default airports that have flight plans in the database have extra parking and Cargo Parking, That how i got my traffic BGL upto 24,000kb before .6 now it is at 19,000kb and i have tools that show less traffic in the air at any one time.
    The early days of TG 48,000 flight plans.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/47972006111/in/dateposted-public/
    June this year P3Dv5.
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/49877670172/in/dateposted-public/
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/154944674@N05/50168735568/in/dateposted-public/

    The number of flight plans compared to the number of flights is not directly linked. Richard posted an explanation up about this in another thread.

    Yes, but that isn't the full story. In those databases, lots of those flights were the legs flown by an aircraft to a destination later in the day. For example, if an airline operated a return flight between Stansted and Glasgow that departed Stansted at 6am, then repeated it at 2pm and then again at 10pm, that would have appeared as 6 different flights. Not only that but the 6am flight would have remained sat at the gate whilst another aircraft flies the 2pm leg and then waits at the gate until 2pm the next day whilst another aircraft flies the 10pm leg.
    Now the database only lists that flight once, and the same aircraft will fly back and forth during the day completing all the legs itself.
    That means that yes the database is smaller, but you're getting less dormant aircraft filling up parking spaces and more legs being flown.>

    As to the traffic level in P3D V5, as Richard explained earlier up this thread:

    I'm afraid you will find that there is less traffic in P3D v5 compared to v4. Due to a change in the airport bgl format, the files we use to boost the amount of parking spaces at default airports are no longer compatible. Relying on only default airports and their underpopulated parking spaces means a reduction in traffic levels without a decent amount of freeware/payware airports to increase parking space availability. With Traffic Global being implemented before v5 came along, this wasn't something that we could anticipate.

    Hope that clarifies.



  • @Derek
    Is the number of flights and the number of legs generated interdependent?
    Because I think the more legs there are, the higher the traffic of the planes. I don't know if I understand it well.

    However, it is necessary to know the approximate number of generated flights in the final form compared to the current version of the program.

    In the current version, it is about 20,000 generated flights, when we know the final number of flights, we can roughly imagine what the traffic at airports will be compared to the current version.


  • JF Staff

    @martin11 said in Cargo traffic- FEDEX and UPS for Traffic Global and P3Dv5:

    @Derek
    Is the number of flights and the number of legs generated interdependent?
    Because I think the more legs there are, the higher the traffic of the planes. I don't know if I understand it well.

    However, it is necessary to know the approximate number of generated flights in the final form compared to the current version of the program.

    In the current version, it is about 20,000 generated flights, when we know the final number of flights, we can roughly imagine what the traffic at airports will be compared to the current version.

    As per Richard's post. The number of flight plans has 'dropped' from six to one but the number of flights undertaken is the same and there are now more parking spaces available.
    However, in P3DV5 the number of flights has gone down because the number of available parking spaces at default airports in the game has reduced.



  • @Derek
    Except the number of errors in the the main airport Traffic Global compiler show a lot of plans do not show in the sim, and bad made plans with incorrect code only three letter and FALE no longer recognised 1/3rd of the plans will not compile without errors,
    And i do not rely on the TG default scenery i have a custom made scenery folder for default airports for V5 parking is available but TG will not fill it.
    The default compile will return only about 11,000kb BGL and that`s with 100 addon airports.



  • @Derek
    It's okay that the number of flight plans has 'dropped' from six to one.

    I use FSX SE. Problem, however, is that many airlines and types of aircraft are missing at airports in version 1.1.1.8. There are only a certain number of airlines and aircraft types in the current version.

    In my opinion, the main flight database is built very well, only a few airlines are missing. Because if the traffic were identical to the flight database, it would be perfect.

    My question is only whether the main flight database will be approximately identical to the traffic at airports after the following updates.


  • JF Staff

    @martin11

    It can't be identical - there are too many variables (parking spaces at non-default airports, location you are flying from etc).



  • @Derek
    Does this mean that there will be no more airlines at the airports in the next updates, which would at least help increase traffic?
    Because many airports are filled with a minimum number of aircraft.


  • JF Staff

    @martin11
    The database is what it is. It was generated on a particular day (in 2019 IIRC) and Traffic Global has aircraft and liveries that will attach themselves to the flights.

    So, if there is a flight from Quinboltoknam to Cambletown Int'l, using an Airbus A371-200 from TrumpBiden Airlines and the plane and livery are included then you will see the flight. If not, although the flight is in the database it won't happen as there is no plane or livery to fly it. You can choose the substitutes option but that will only provide an approximate plane or livery.

    We have added more aircraft and liveries since the program was released but no immediate plans to add more. The selection is, we think, excellent but we can't cover every possible plane or carrier.



  • @Derek
    Thanks for the information.
    I just wanted to say, for example, at the airport in Frankfurt but also other large airports, planes land a few times an hour. Rich recently mentioned that he has a solution to this disadvantage.
    Thanks





  • It is to be believed that further updates will help to generate more flights from the current database.