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AP disconnect on ILS finals

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    Astro_Liam
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    I had similar on my flight earlier to Manchester ILS 05R approach. Sudden disconnect of the autopilot.

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      eriksala
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      i'm also getting this issue on multiples airports. I tried disconnecting all of my yokes and remaining only with mouse and keyboard and the issue remained

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        Sleepy
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        I had this happen as well just now. EIDW to EGCC. Also ILS 05R. On 4nm final the autopilot simply disconnected and putted me down into a dive. Never seen this before the latest update

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          Martyn
          JF Staff
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          Hi all. We are investigating this urgently now and will issue a fix ASAP.

          Martyn - Development Manager

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            Martyn
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            #9

            Hi all. As we aren't guaranteed to be able to reproduce the issue here, and didn't encounter it during our v1.2 pre-release testing, it'd be great if some of you could try this updated WASM gauge to see if it helps: WASM Download

            The WASM, which has MSFS 2020 and 2024 versions, needs to replace the existing one that is found in: \justflight-aircraft-f100\SimObjects\Airplanes\Just Flight Fokker F100 Airstairs Small\panel
            \justflight-aircraft-f70\SimObjects\Airplanes\Just Flight Fokker F70\panel\

            Thanks for your feedback and assistance, and apologies for the inconvenience.

            Martyn - Development Manager

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              Martyn
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              Note this reverts a couple of recent changes - AP auto-trim, aimed at addressing the out of trim condition when disconnecting the AP, and the introduction of the 1.5 second manual trim input AP disconnect. Those are the most likely causes of this new issue. If the issue no longer occurs with these reversions then we can work to reintroduce those improvements without causing the issue.

              Martyn - Development Manager

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                Techy111
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                I have done an ILS approach into EGPH and no repeat of the issue after changing the WASM...testing continues but so far so good.

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                  Manrucavia
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                  Hey Martyn, many thanks. I´ll give it a try and report back

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                    Manrucavia
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                    Martyn, just did an ILS into LOWW 34 and AP did not disconnect (as expected due to the mentioned reversion - when disconnecting manually close to minimums out of trim was severe)
                    Another item which I was wondering if with this wasm file has also reverted is the AT speed under- and overshooting - on final it overshoot App speed by at least 40kt....so quite an unstable approach altogether, but AP did hold LOL

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                      Martyn, just did an ILS into LOWW 34 and AP did not disconnect (as expected due to the mentioned reversion - when disconnecting manually close to minimums out of trim was severe)
                      Another item which I was wondering if with this wasm file has also reverted is the AT speed under- and overshooting - on final it overshoot App speed by at least 40kt....so quite an unstable approach altogether, but AP did hold LOL

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                      Martyn
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                      Thanks both for confirming that fixed the issue.

                      I can confirm that no other changes were reverted, including the ATS logic. I've not encountered such a significant speed overshoot so hopefully that was a one off. If not, please get in touch with our support team so they can investigate.

                      Martyn - Development Manager

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                        peacemaker0079
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                        I can confirm the abovementioned observations: MSFS 2024, unaltered version 0.1.2, F100 (OE-LVI from the livery installer), ILS 08L into LROP. Flaps 42, AP and AT on until the AT undershoots the V_App (138 kts in this case) by about 10 (?) knots. AP disconnects with aural alert, AT stays engaged, aircraft pitches down (probably due to the thrust increasing significantly at that moment). Looks to me like the AP disconnect was triggered by an underspeed (V_MA) protection.

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                          AndrejKatin
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                          I also experienced all the reported issues with the AP disconnecting in the app.

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                            neinnunb
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                            Not sure if it's related, but I was watching British Avgeek on YouTube and I think he experienced this AP disconnect during his live stream:
                            https://www.youtube.com/live/cfEko8yc6sY?si=wnz1XKJzGQKfjJfO&t=8027

                            ATS was not keeping the proper airspeed and dipped well below the target speed.

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                              Not sure if it's related, but I was watching British Avgeek on YouTube and I think he experienced this AP disconnect during his live stream:
                              https://www.youtube.com/live/cfEko8yc6sY?si=wnz1XKJzGQKfjJfO&t=8027

                              ATS was not keeping the proper airspeed and dipped well below the target speed.

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                              JF John
                              JF Staff
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                              @neinnunb It looks like this is separate from the auto-trim related issues, from the video the AT looks hesitant to increase thrust to counter the drag from lowering gear. We'll look at improving the AT response during this flight phase as a priority.

                              John Hodgson - Development Assistant

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