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    wrote last edited by Avionic
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    Seems the "Speed below 1XX knots - flaps 30" bit is missing or not being triggered after the 2024 update. 18 24 33 callouts all work as they did before.
    Thought it could potentially be due to a procedure change to go directly from 24 to 33, but selecting a flaps 30 landing results in the last call being for flaps 24.

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      This is an intentional change to match the improved callout triggers we developed for the RJ. The standard procedures for the flap and gear extension during approach in the 146/RJ is: Flap 18 > Gear Down > Flap 24 > Flap 33.

      Mark - Just Flight

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        Ahh okay - I did figure it could potentially be change of procedure as mentioned in the original post 👍

        I see that the "Intended usage" of flaps 30 lists takeoff in the manual, but I don't see any direct mention if flaps 30 landing is possible or not. Gear warning is set up for flaps 30+33, which might indicate 30 is an option.

        I believe that in the past I had the option of clicking the 30 line in the flipchart to do a flaps 30 landing. Only tried it once in the new version so far, and as said in the first post, I got the 24 call - slowed down to less than 145 knots for a while, but never got another flaps call. Decided myself to set flaps 30. No further flaps 33 call either, so it does seemingly indicate that the option is still there for flaps 30 landing on the flipchart.
        So either the flaps 30 call needs to be available to be used just in flaps 30 landings (and still skipped in flaps 33 landings per procedure), or the flipchart logic might need to be changed to only be set for 33 landings?

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          Flap 24 and Flap 33 are the landing flap positions that are permitted for a normal landing in the 146/RJ, and the callout logic is set up based on that. More details on the callouts logic can be found here: https://support.justflight.com/en/support/solutions/articles/17000124975-pilot-callouts-and-cabin-announcements-explained

          Landings are, however. possible at any flap position, depending on the situation (for example, a flap failure or stuck flaps). Therefore, the landing speeds for any flap setting can be set via the speeds flipchart.

          Mark - Just Flight

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            Thanks a lot for the further elaboration and link.
            Hadn't considered that the flipchart option was there as an option for non-normal procedures - setup makes sense with that in mind.
            Hadn't realised, that 24/33 were the landing options, but I see that reflected in real life material as well, and it makes sense.

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