Black Square Updates for MSFS2024
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I have the bonanza, baron and king air all from just flight, and i did what everyone's done; enable the 2020 versions. When I purchased the caravan, i did the same thing and it appeared in the selection right away. but with the duke, given that it doesn't need an included aircraft like the rest, i assumed it would just appear but it isn't even in my library. the only dukes that appear are the ones i tried putting in my community, but those don't enable.
@Black-Square If you have any insight that would be awesome
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Unfortunately, I have no insights to share with you. I can't imagine why one would work and not the other. Unless anyone else has an idea here, I would suggest contacting Just Flight support. They deal with all the installer issues, and I suspect they might know what's going on here.
While I'm not planning on "supporting" the transfer of the Steam Gauge Overhaul fleet into MSFS 2024, we should definitely be able to get the Duke into MSFS 2024 for you asap. It pains me to think about the bugs that it currently has when the 2020 version is just copied over, but hopefully those are mostly just small things that only I notice...
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All updates to MSFS 2024 will be free. I appreciate your sentiment :)
I saw some confusion regarding the Professional Series after one of my new posts, while we're all discussing things here. Those new aircraft, which some might call "updates" of the Steam Gauge Overhaul Series will not be free, though they will come at a discount for existing owners. The Professional Series aircraft represent around 1,000hrs of work each, and roughly a doubling of the scope of each aircraft. In short, my goal was to create new aircraft that I could be really proud of. The longer story is as follows...
When MSFS 2024 became available, I immediately assessed the difficulty of porting the Steam Gauge Overhaul Series to the new sim. When it became clear that this would take an abundance of effort, if it was possible at all (I was thoroughly thwarted at every turn), I decided it would be far smarter to work on standalone aircraft with loads of new features, rather than spend the same amount of time just to get already aging software into a new simulator that would continue to fight me every step of the way. Creating standalone aircraft frees me of many limitations, increases maintainability drastically, and allows me to focus on new simulation experiences that otherwise would not have happened. I hope the majority of you agree with this approach, but I thought I would take the time to explain it more completely.
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For the bonanza, baron, and king air, i took the downloaded version from just flight and places into my community folder in 24. then enabled the official 2020 versions within streamed library. for the caravan, the bksq version appeared as a selection. and all i had to do was, again, enable the streamed 20 caravan. but for the duke, i tried copying, to anywhere i could think and it never pops up as a selection and cannot be enabled from community folder. i hope this helps
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@Black-Square It is fair that we get a discount for the analog series. They will be better. Once we are there, everything will be fine. Appreciate ur consideration. It is just unfortunate that the old models are problematic.
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@zman7887 Also. I have been doing some testing. What has worked for me is:
For tha analaog series: Baron, Bonanza, King Air and Caravan.
Copy the community from 2020 to 2024 and copy the official 2020 to the community 24. Besides that u have to give preference to the community files over the streamed, otherwise images wont load. All 4 work.For the Dukes and TBM just copy the community folder from 2020 to 2024.
They ALL work!!!
Thx
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First off - thank you for bringing all of these fantastic aircraft onto the Xbox, especially with the PNS50 support. Not too many developers have been pushing that set of avionics over and it’s my personal favorite. Everything maps really well with the Turtle Beach Velocity One setup.
Unfortunately since I am locked to only the marketplace - are you going to continue to send and release updates into the 2024 marketplace? I’ve been reading what a frustrating experience it has been for developers to deal with.
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Long time lurker, first time poster. Let me second the above message about bringing these aircrafts to Xbox. They truly are a delight to fly.
I’m not a real life pilot, and I’m not the most knowledgeable about simulated aircrafts either. It’s why I stay away from airliners; I can follow a checklist and press a button, but if I don’t understand why I should press that button, then it’s much less interesting to me. This led to my hesitation of buying any Black Square products, even though I’ve only heard good things about them. I simply thought they were too advanced, for me to enjoy. I shouldn’t have worried. I bought the Dukes, and with the help of the well written manuals, that explain things so someone like me can understand them, and also the excellent tablet that visualizes the systems, I’m truly having the best experience. Thank you!
With regards to the GTN 750, there are multiple aircraft that technically support them, but with no way of actually downloading the GTN units to Xbox, that “support” is worth very little. The ideal situation would, of course, be, if they could be downloaded from the in-sim Marketplace, so they could receive updates as well. I haven’t followed any discussion why they aren’t available there, maybe it’s because they use a subscription based business model, and Microsoft wouldn’t get a cut out of that. Purely speculation on my part there.
Regardless, the inclusion of this unit with the Dukes is greatly appreciated. It really shows an understanding of the situation. Always with an attention to details. I can’t help to think why the KLN 90B wasn’t included as well, though, since this unit also can’t be downloaded on Xbox. Does the license not allow bundling of this unit perhaps?
Looking forward to the updated versions, though the Dukes already play nice in 2024. Eagerly awaiting the Professional series, as well. With regard to the Starship, that thing looks too advanced for me. But I trust Black Square to once again help me overcome the obstacles and provide an excellent learning and flying experience.
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@ploodovic said in Black Square Updates for MSFS2024:
...with the help of the well written manuals, that explain things so someone like me can understand them, and also the excellent tablet that visualizes the systems...
This is music to my ears. Thank you so much for sharing this. I spend a tremendous amount of time on my manuals, and this is exactly why I do it. I refer to them as "a little ground school in a box" to fellow pilots. Unfortunately, I can't spend years writing them, so I know they could still be a lot better. I worry that maybe 1% of my users actually read the manual, but I hope that 1% get enough out of it to make up for the other 99%. The Starship is a passion project of mine, though, so I suspect that will be the best manual I ever write.
I'm ashamed to admit this, but the only reason the KLN90B is not included in the marketplace build is because I simply forgot to ask the developer if that was a possibility. He has since created a marketplace-ready version for me, and it will be included in the next update for the Dukes.
I would absolutely love to offer MSFS 2024 Marketplace versions of all my products, but I have recently been informed of some requirements that might be extremely onerous given my development pipeline. I have not fully explored the implications yet, but I suspect I will be morally obligated to comply so that they Dukes can be enjoyed by MSFS 2024 exclusive purchasers.
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@Black-Square you can’t just tease us like that with the Starship manual. Are you sure it’s still only going to be ~180 pages though? I don’t think anyone would be opposed to it being a little bit longer ;)
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@Black-Square said in Black Square Updates for MSFS2024:
This is music to my ears. Thank you so much for sharing this. I spend a tremendous amount of time on my manuals, and this is exactly why I do it.
FWIW, I read the Velocity XL manual a few times back to back, really appreciate you putting the effort. It let me to watch as many videos as I could find about the aircraft as well, to get more out of the sim experience. I didn't know anything about this aircraft until I discovered it in MSFS.
