Has this product been abandoned?
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Each of the GPS units that are selectable on the EFB has its own autopilot logic that tries to overwrite our autopilot logic, so unfortunately, I think this is just a quirk of the Working Title GNS430/530.
One way you can tell if this is the case is if you select the "NO GPS" option on the EFB, and then see if you see different behaviour. With "NO GPS" selected, the autopilot is using our logic and all the modes will act as we intended them to. With any of the other GPSs selected, the autopilot is using logic from the GPS.
With regards to the flight model, we do have some updated flight models in development to improve the crosswind behaviour. Once we are happy with the updated flight models, will be releasing updates to all the PA28s.
Mark - Just Flight
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Each of the GPS units that are selectable on the EFB has its own autopilot logic that tries to overwrite our autopilot logic, so unfortunately, I think this is just a quirk of the Working Title GNS430/530.
One way you can tell if this is the case is if you select the "NO GPS" option on the EFB, and then see if you see different behaviour. With "NO GPS" selected, the autopilot is using our logic and all the modes will act as we intended them to. With any of the other GPSs selected, the autopilot is using logic from the GPS.
With regards to the flight model, we do have some updated flight models in development to improve the crosswind behaviour. Once we are happy with the updated flight models, will be releasing updates to all the PA28s.
Mark - Just Flight
@Mark Any news regarding the flight models? Can we expect the new ground dynamics, new propeller system, soft body dynamics and cfd?
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We have an update to the Warrior's flight model currently in testing to address some feedback received from the community and we will review the Arrow, Turbo Arrow and Warrior again once MSFS 2024 has been released.
We can't really comment on any 2024 features at the moment as we have not yet been given any access to MSFS 2024 or the SDK to be able to access the amount of work that will be required to add those features, but it is certainly something we are very keen on investigating once we get access to the new simulator. We'll be sure to let everyone know our intentions once we know more ourselves.
Mark - Just Flight
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We have an update to the Warrior's flight model currently in testing to address some feedback received from the community and we will review the Arrow, Turbo Arrow and Warrior again once MSFS 2024 has been released.
We can't really comment on any 2024 features at the moment as we have not yet been given any access to MSFS 2024 or the SDK to be able to access the amount of work that will be required to add those features, but it is certainly something we are very keen on investigating once we get access to the new simulator. We'll be sure to let everyone know our intentions once we know more ourselves.
Mark - Just Flight
@Mark Thanks, I was just referring to the new features added to MSFS during it’s run. Not new 2024 stuff.
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Apologies, I misunderstood the question. The upcoming Warrior update does add the new ground dynamics/soft body dynamics/improved suspension. I will need to check with our flight model developer though regarding any changes to the propeller system/CFD.
Mark - Just Flight
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Wow, the Warrior make much more joy as before w/ CFD and new MSFS ground friction support! Thank you for the update! Will this come for the other PA28 versions also?
@DeeKay Thank you for the feedback! Yes, the Arrow and Turbo Arrow will receive similar updates. The current plan is to analyse the feedback received on the Warrior's flight model before then working on the same improvements to the Arrow and Turbo Arrow.
Mark - Just Flight
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I agree. Thank you JustFlight team! This update is a massive improvement. The stall and slow speed characteristics I would say are now far more true to life. Also the pitch up effect when deploying the flaps - this is nicely captured, most small GA planes I've flown in the sim incorrectly model this as a pitch down so this was really great!
If I were to nitpick the only comments I would make are that the climb performance seems a bit optimistic still - don't think I've ever seen more than +1000fpm even flying solo - 6-800fpm is more like it, these birds are not powerful. Cruise speed and power settings seem absolutely spot on though.
And the ground run on takeoff doesn't require right rudder which it does in the real aircraft. After lift off though the ball does slip out to the right requiring right rudder, which is correct.
