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Things that (in my opinion) should be changed

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    JMAviation
    wrote last edited by JMAviation
    #5

    I think the flight schedule might be difficult for those that are not in the time zone for the airline they are flying. As an example, I'm from the US (east coast) and my VA is Americanva.net... so naturally, I fly American... However, I've been living in Germany for a long time, and while the morning US flights are doable, the evening ones aren't (as they would fly around 2am my time, roughly). I don't mind the sim being set to the schedules, but as Astur mentioned, I prefer to fly live times. Doing the scheduled flights on time with a bonus sounds good, but not flying at the scheduled time without a bonus sounds like a good idea.

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      Wholeheartedly agree on all fronts - especially the back to hub spoke approach to scheduling. In fact, I haven't touched the program since the day I bought it because of that limitation.

      With the flying real-time vs scheduled time, I 100% it shouldn't matter (or penalize you) for flying outside of the scheduled route time. I, much like the OP, only fly real-time. I can't think of a time where I've changed my simulator time manually at all. So the solution is the exact same way APL has it done - offer the scheduled time, but don't mandate it. In fact, I don't think it adds value at all to require flying a leg at a scheduled time.

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        #7

        I also like the idea to get a bonus if the time is the same as in FTL, but no penalty if not.

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          Wholeheartedly agree on all fronts - especially the back to hub spoke approach to scheduling. In fact, I haven't touched the program since the day I bought it because of that limitation.

          With the flying real-time vs scheduled time, I 100% it shouldn't matter (or penalize you) for flying outside of the scheduled route time. I, much like the OP, only fly real-time. I can't think of a time where I've changed my simulator time manually at all. So the solution is the exact same way APL has it done - offer the scheduled time, but don't mandate it. In fact, I don't think it adds value at all to require flying a leg at a scheduled time.

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          @Frafty said in Things that (in my opinion) should be changed:

          With the flying real-time vs scheduled time, I 100% it shouldn't matter (or penalize you) for flying outside of the scheduled route time. I, much like the OP, only fly real-time. I can't think of a time where I've changed my simulator time manually at all. So the solution is the exact same way APL has it done - offer the scheduled time, but don't mandate it. In fact, I don't think it adds value at all to require flying a leg at a scheduled time.

          Exactly. For me, what APL does in that sense is perfect. It gives you the real-world departure time, and if you want to follow it, great, and if not, no big deal. If Fly the Line adds a bonus for doing it, that would actually be a nice incentive over APL since APL doesn't have that kind of bonus.

          I understand it's a bit of a headache for the developer because he already added an earlies/lates system, which makes sense, but I think the bonus would fix the issue by encouraging users to fly at the real scheduled time or to simply adjust the sim time to match. That way everyone wins, both those who don’t mind changing the sim time and those who prefer to always fly in real time.

          What really bothers me is when the sim time gets forced. I honestly find that super annoying. I hate when an addon does that. That’s actually why I gave up on OnAir. It always forced the sim time and if it wasn’t perfectly synced between the sim and the app, it would just stop tracking the flight. Really frustrating. Especially in X-Plane 12 where time zones aren't handled properly and you have to set them manually. It was always off by one or two hours compared to the real time at that location. And in MSFS 2024 it's the same story I mentioned earlier. It's a total mess. Asobo just can’t seem to get it right. Sometimes changing the time also changes the weather, sometimes it doesn’t. It’s completely random and broken and just not usable.

          If I do a real-time morning flight to LEST I know I’ll probably run into thick fog. But if I do it at 15:00z IRL hour and the program forces the sim time to morning, I’ll arrive at LEST at 6:00z sim time with 30c and CAVOK. That completely kills immersion for me, I would just stop using the program, just like I stopped using OnAir. Totally a no-go for me.

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            I will take a look at this, I promise but it does mean a significant change to the logic and I have to weigh up the complexity of it all. I would probably need to run both as a lot of customers like the fixed schedule but I get some don't. By design, FTL was intended to create a set schedule for users really to mimic working for an airline where you don't get to choose your flight times.

            I think the challenge is we're all different and we all have our preferred way to sim.

            There's a lot going on the background and every change has a knock on effect and is tied in to how the career mode functions. There are a lot of factors to consider and that will require a lot of work. If I introduce this, I then have two different areas of logic that need to be considered and that opens up the risk of things getting really difficult to manage.

            As mentioned above, I will look in to it. I need to wait for things to settle as it's very early days. My current focus is fixing all the bugs and ensuring everything is 100% stable. I'll then take a look at the core list of community items that have been raised and see which can be done and then prioritise them. If the real-time request is feasible and then it will be added but it really does need a thorough review first. I just don't have the time at the moment.

            That said, I am listening so please continue to provide feedback. It's really useful and I do value it.

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              I will take a look at this, I promise but it does mean a significant change to the logic and I have to weigh up the complexity of it all. I would probably need to run both as a lot of customers like the fixed schedule but I get some don't. By design, FTL was intended to create a set schedule for users really to mimic working for an airline where you don't get to choose your flight times.

              I think the challenge is we're all different and we all have our preferred way to sim.

              There's a lot going on the background and every change has a knock on effect and is tied in to how the career mode functions. There are a lot of factors to consider and that will require a lot of work. If I introduce this, I then have two different areas of logic that need to be considered and that opens up the risk of things getting really difficult to manage.

              As mentioned above, I will look in to it. I need to wait for things to settle as it's very early days. My current focus is fixing all the bugs and ensuring everything is 100% stable. I'll then take a look at the core list of community items that have been raised and see which can be done and then prioritise them. If the real-time request is feasible and then it will be added but it really does need a thorough review first. I just don't have the time at the moment.

              That said, I am listening so please continue to provide feedback. It's really useful and I do value it.

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              @NeoGeo78 I understand that it takes more work in Career mode, since many variables would be affected by the change and implementing it would therefore take more time. However, in Schedule mode, that issue doesn’t exist, it seems like it could be implemented directly without too many problems, right?

              I'm sorry for being so insistent about this; I really hope it’s not bothering you. It’s just that this feature wasn’t mentioned anywhere when I purchased the software, and now I’ve discovered it’s there and that I can’t turn it off...

              And considering that refunds aren’t accepted (not that I would ask for one, I want to support you because you’ve done an amazing job), I’d just hate to end up not using the software after buying it.

              I hope you understand. Like I said, it’s not my intention to bother you or be a nuisance. And if you ever need help with anything, I’d be thrilled to contribute, just let me know.

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                It's OK, I don't mind the questions 🙂 So all three modes run off the same logic so I need to look at how to seperate it (or for it to run across all three). I will look in to it but it will be a bit further down the line as there are a few things that need doing before then. As I said before, no promises at this stage, but I will review. If it's not too complex, I will likely bring it in.

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                  It's OK, I don't mind the questions 🙂 So all three modes run off the same logic so I need to look at how to seperate it (or for it to run across all three). I will look in to it but it will be a bit further down the line as there are a few things that need doing before then. As I said before, no promises at this stage, but I will review. If it's not too complex, I will likely bring it in.

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                  wrote last edited by Astur
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                  @NeoGeo78 Of course, thanks for considering it, take your time. In any case, I don’t think it’s much more complicated to remove or disable the sync than to keep it, mainly because it’s just going to give you headaches all the time, since as I said, it’s a feature that only causes problems for both the users who have to deal with it and the developer who has to fix it. In fact, I’ve already seen several posts here with problems of that kind. It would make your life easier in the long run.

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                    Hello. I have not purchased this program, and I’ll explain why. Perhaps this could also serve as an idea for the developers. What I would absolutely love (and I believe many others here would as well) is the ability to create our own customized schedules. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I’ve read, the program generates routes for you. I like to fly older planes (such as the Fokker F28, BAe 146, MD-80, etc.) from defunct airlines. If this program allowed me not only to create these airlines but also to recreate their past bespoke schedules, which are easily found on sites like timetableimages.com, departedflights.com, and flightsimdispatch.com, that would be fantastic!

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                      Hello. I have not purchased this program, and I’ll explain why. Perhaps this could also serve as an idea for the developers. What I would absolutely love (and I believe many others here would as well) is the ability to create our own customized schedules. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I’ve read, the program generates routes for you. I like to fly older planes (such as the Fokker F28, BAe 146, MD-80, etc.) from defunct airlines. If this program allowed me not only to create these airlines but also to recreate their past bespoke schedules, which are easily found on sites like timetableimages.com, departedflights.com, and flightsimdispatch.com, that would be fantastic!

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                      @neinnunb said in Things that (in my opinion) should be changed:

                      the ability to create our own customized schedules.

                      I second that. It would also be great if schedules could be shared between users. I imagine a community page where everyone can upload a schedule.

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