Auto Land misses runway.
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I am still learning to use this Concorde which does not compare with my old FS Labs Concorde. Once you went to Autoland in FS Labs all you had to control was the speed for a perfect landing. I have tried this Auto Land 3 times, after being established on the glide slope and pressing ILS. Twice coming into
Istanbul it landed short in the water, and last night in Toronto it landed with a plop in the dirt next to the runway. Any advice would be helpful. Jim@Cropduster47 Apparently, the ILS switches off the ALT HOLD when engaged, so it needs to be switched on again to maintain glideslope.
The autopilot system is stock FSX / P3D, so I'm not sure why it's having so many issues, but as soon as I find the cause I will produce a swift update to sort it out. Most annoying!
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@Cropduster47 Apparently, the ILS switches off the ALT HOLD when engaged, so it needs to be switched on again to maintain glideslope.
The autopilot system is stock FSX / P3D, so I'm not sure why it's having so many issues, but as soon as I find the cause I will produce a swift update to sort it out. Most annoying!
@DC1973 Also the GS indicator appears to be reversed on the artificial horizon and the HSI. Established on the localiser at the appropriate distance and altitude and the GS indicatorwas at the bottom of the gauge and I watched it come up the as I got nearer the airport. The indicator should be at the top of the gauge initially and then come down as traditionally aircraft intercept the glideslope from below.
My apologies if I've already mentioned that before.
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I am still learning to use this Concorde which does not compare with my old FS Labs Concorde. Once you went to Autoland in FS Labs all you had to control was the speed for a perfect landing. I have tried this Auto Land 3 times, after being established on the glide slope and pressing ILS. Twice coming into
Istanbul it landed short in the water, and last night in Toronto it landed with a plop in the dirt next to the runway. Any advice would be helpful. Jim@Cropduster47 said in Auto Land misses runway.:
I am still learning to use this Concorde which does not compare with my old FS Labs Concorde. Once you went to Autoland in FS Labs all you had to control was the speed for a perfect landing. I have tried this Auto Land 3 times, after being established on the glide slope and pressing ILS. Twice coming into
Istanbul it landed short in the water, and last night in Toronto it landed with a plop in the dirt next to the runway. Any advice would be helpful. JimI have investigated this for you. Apparently, and this was news to me, in order for the ILS in FSX and P3D to work reliably, the pilot is required to intercept the ILS beam from below. So, you set everything up to intercept the ILS beam, switch to Auto Land, and then the aircraft flies into the beams, detects the beams correctly and flies down the centreline all the way. I tested this and Concorde sailed in all the way no problems, with 210 KIAS showing on the auto-throttle.
None the less, I have checked and updated the gyroscopic magnetic heading display to ensure an accurate track for the soon-to-be-released update.
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@Cropduster47 said in Auto Land misses runway.:
I am still learning to use this Concorde which does not compare with my old FS Labs Concorde. Once you went to Autoland in FS Labs all you had to control was the speed for a perfect landing. I have tried this Auto Land 3 times, after being established on the glide slope and pressing ILS. Twice coming into
Istanbul it landed short in the water, and last night in Toronto it landed with a plop in the dirt next to the runway. Any advice would be helpful. JimI have investigated this for you. Apparently, and this was news to me, in order for the ILS in FSX and P3D to work reliably, the pilot is required to intercept the ILS beam from below. So, you set everything up to intercept the ILS beam, switch to Auto Land, and then the aircraft flies into the beams, detects the beams correctly and flies down the centreline all the way. I tested this and Concorde sailed in all the way no problems, with 210 KIAS showing on the auto-throttle.
None the less, I have checked and updated the gyroscopic magnetic heading display to ensure an accurate track for the soon-to-be-released update.
@DC1973 Yes
as traditionally aircraft intercept the glideslope from belowI was 20 miles out and on the localiser, as I neared 10 miles (the GS intercept point) the needle travelled up the display to the centrepoint, whereas it should have started at the top of the gauge and made its way down.
The altitude I was at and the distance ensures that physically the plane was below the GS even if the inidcator appeared reversed.Keep on with the good work sir! At least we have a recent Concorde experience in FSX!
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@DC1973 Yes
as traditionally aircraft intercept the glideslope from belowI was 20 miles out and on the localiser, as I neared 10 miles (the GS intercept point) the needle travelled up the display to the centrepoint, whereas it should have started at the top of the gauge and made its way down.
The altitude I was at and the distance ensures that physically the plane was below the GS even if the inidcator appeared reversed.Keep on with the good work sir! At least we have a recent Concorde experience in FSX!
@HighBypass I've reversed the direction of the GS indicator now so that it works in the conventional way.
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@HighBypass I've reversed the direction of the GS indicator now so that it works in the conventional way.
@DC1973 Outstanding sir! I realise the length of a string may be difficult to estimate, but can you give a projection as and when an update might be forthcoming? The was a joke a while back on the Orbiter (free spaceflight sim) forums which said an update or a new craft would be available on Tuesday (of course WHICH Tuesday was never specified!
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@DC1973 Outstanding sir! I realise the length of a string may be difficult to estimate, but can you give a projection as and when an update might be forthcoming? The was a joke a while back on the Orbiter (free spaceflight sim) forums which said an update or a new craft would be available on Tuesday (of course WHICH Tuesday was never specified!
)@HighBypass Hoping for release sometime next week.
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@HighBypass Hoping for release sometime next week.
@DC1973 Sorry to bug you again, but the GS indicator in the artificial horizon is still reversed. The flight director doesn't appear to be working for me on FSX:SE either.
HOWEVER the HSI GS indicator and localiser needle is working fine thanks! -
@DC1973 Sorry to bug you again, but the GS indicator in the artificial horizon is still reversed. The flight director doesn't appear to be working for me on FSX:SE either.
HOWEVER the HSI GS indicator and localiser needle is working fine thanks!@HighBypass Sorry, you're right, despite all the checks the GS indicator in FSX version's artificial horizon got missed. I will correct it in a future update. Flight Director working fine here though so not sure why you're having issues with it, it's all correctly animated and switchable.
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@HighBypass Sorry, you're right, despite all the checks the GS indicator in FSX version's artificial horizon got missed. I will correct it in a future update. Flight Director working fine here though so not sure why you're having issues with it, it's all correctly animated and switchable.
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@DC1973 Thanks for the reply. I shall investigate further, but I'm sure I didn't see any needles moving around on the artificial horizon; I presume I should see a yellow cross?
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@DC1973 said in Auto Land misses runway.:
FD purposefully is not represented in the AH to keep things somewhat simpler for newcomers.
AHH! I SEE! Or rather don't see any arrows LOL!
Thank you for the info. I can now get on with doing some more flights.
Indeed she does follow a flightplan (no issues with that aspect!) EDIT: Even from my first trip across the Atlantic.
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@HighBypass FD purposefully is not represented in the AH to keep things somewhat simpler for newcomers. FD will track a flight plan as long as you're in GPS mode.
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@DC1973 Interesting. A Flight Director makes it simpler for newcomers, especially when hand flying.
@SpeedbirdCanada It was more a reference to having less clutter on the display to be honest. The ILS arrows provide descent information to a hand-flown ILS approach, while the FD can be viewed in the GPS screen if desired. Maybe I will add them in the next update though if folks would prefer to have them.
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I am having that same similar problem here and this bird that keeps crashing way before the touch down spot on the runway when that "Auto Land" activates. Even de-activating the AP and increase throttle the bird keeps descending and cannot control it. Looking through the above post to see if a solution was issue.
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I am having that same similar problem here and this bird that keeps crashing way before the touch down spot on the runway when that "Auto Land" activates. Even de-activating the AP and increase throttle the bird keeps descending and cannot control it. Looking through the above post to see if a solution was issue.
@fernandito1969
I'm having the same problem, I've been simming since the early 80s and am fully conversant with the workings of FSX.
I've dealt with Just Flight for many years and this is the first aircraft I haven't been able to 'fix' myself (I've still got the first Concorde).
Hopefully there will be a fix soon.
Nigel Eighteen -
@fernandito1969
I'm having the same problem, I've been simming since the early 80s and am fully conversant with the workings of FSX.
I've dealt with Just Flight for many years and this is the first aircraft I haven't been able to 'fix' myself (I've still got the first Concorde).
Hopefully there will be a fix soon.
Nigel Eighteen@nigel318 said in Auto Land misses runway.:
@fernandito1969
I'm having the same problem, I've been simming since the early 80s and am fully conversant with the workings of FSX.
I've dealt with Just Flight for many years and this is the first aircraft I haven't been able to 'fix' myself (I've still got the first Concorde).
Hopefully there will be a fix soon.
Nigel EighteenNot sure this is something that requires a fix over and above those applied already. Make sure you have the latest version of the software and if you are having problems your best bet would be to contact Just Flight support and they can look into it for you.
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@nigel318 said in Auto Land misses runway.:
@fernandito1969
I'm having the same problem, I've been simming since the early 80s and am fully conversant with the workings of FSX.
I've dealt with Just Flight for many years and this is the first aircraft I haven't been able to 'fix' myself (I've still got the first Concorde).
Hopefully there will be a fix soon.
Nigel EighteenNot sure this is something that requires a fix over and above those applied already. Make sure you have the latest version of the software and if you are having problems your best bet would be to contact Just Flight support and they can look into it for you.
@derek
Already re-downloaded from the website, no change.
When you approach the glideslope at a set altitude the autopilot dives the nose into the ground. My solution is to approach as normal with ILS on and when the nose starts to dive I disengage the AltHold and trim back full (20).
The ILS keeps the runway bearing and I use the yoke to maintain the descent, disengaging the autopilot & autothrottle at 500 ft.
Not as good as full autoland but I'm prepared to put up with it as it is a lovely plane to fly..... -
@derek
Already re-downloaded from the website, no change.
When you approach the glideslope at a set altitude the autopilot dives the nose into the ground. My solution is to approach as normal with ILS on and when the nose starts to dive I disengage the AltHold and trim back full (20).
The ILS keeps the runway bearing and I use the yoke to maintain the descent, disengaging the autopilot & autothrottle at 500 ft.
Not as good as full autoland but I'm prepared to put up with it as it is a lovely plane to fly..... -
@nigel318
PS - I've got about 80 aircraft in my FSX collection and all their autopilots work fine on ILS approaches.@nigel318 said in Auto Land misses runway.:
@nigel318
PS - I've got about 80 aircraft in my FSX collection and all their autopilots work fine on ILS approaches.Which would suggest that it's worth contacting JF support. I am fairly sure the punters would have been beating the doors down by now if this didn't work. If you have a read through the thread you'll see this seems to be resolved for other users.
